"Let's save some time..." Topic

Here's where HäT Industrie posts pics of painted figs from "contributors"; newest posts are at the top:

hat.com/things.html

So if you're into plastic tat, and don't mind mediocre painting at best (no, not yours, Donald), bookmark it, check it frequently, and we can save a whole bunch of posts on the TMP front page!

Unbelievable…

hat.com/Othr8/Oliver03P.html

Well they are painted; I've seen a lot of posted bare metal, online and in games.

…and thanks!

I was always led to beleive that if you had nothing good to say about something…

The first five contributions looked fine by me.

Without mentioned many other issues, I like how that Thermopylae diorama has the Persians attacking from the wrong direction!!

I'm probably going to annoy a lot of people by saying this, but I do think the standard of painting for 1/72 plastics does tend to be a bit lower than for metal figures. It certainly is lower than for 28mm figures, though that is understandable given the level of detail and increased depth of sculpting usually seen for those. But I think it is also true for 15mm scale figures as well, albeit to a lesser extent.

Please don't get me wrong, there are some amazing 1/72 armies out there, which are a match for the best efforts of painter of metal figures. I just think on average that plastics usually aren't painted quite as well. This may be a reflection of the "cheap and cheerful" mindset of plastice afficianados, I don't know.

"The first five contributions looked fine by me."

Yep. That's how we painted.

In the '70s.

I know what you're getting at as i often get irked that i've just seen the same images earlier in the day. I often go there to have a look and be kept abreast of the "plastic tat and mediocre painting " but not everyone here on TMP does the rounds.
People here might think similiar thoughts about wanting to save a "whole bunch of posts " by frequent visitors too .
cheers Tom

Aww, someone need a hug.

Did they forget that this whole site is devoted to things that interest you and meet your exacting standards again? Poor baby.

Jeepers! Todays purple helmet award goes too….

Well, I guess I won't bother posting my battle reports or anything here again… Holy moley!
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Tim

Didn't you guys realize that this entire site is devoted to those who obsessively paint one fig for six weeks and would never actually put it on the table? Shame on you.

Perhaps everyone could submit the photos of painted figures to aecurtis to make sure they meet his standards before they get posted?

Allen is just trying to boost his stifle count and you fools have doomed us all by falling for the trick!

Who takes anything said here seriously; really?

Donald~
not the Donald as I have much better hair

Ah, I see we have the "Miniature Wargames" school well represented!

For those that don't understand, "Wargames Illustrated" used to take a lot of flak for focusing on high-quality paint jobs; people complained because it made them feel bad, since it was better than they could do. (Others viewed it as inspiration).

"Miniature Wargames", on the other hand, offered photos of painted figures that just about anyone could look at and say, "I can paint better than that!" Not motivational, but then not challenging, either.

The HäT Industrie galleries definitely fall into the "Miniature Wargames" camp. So I guess nobody wants to be inspired? That's strange, since a lot of really good paint work gets posted to TMP.

Now if somebody posts their own work, and it's pretty basic, I see no need to comment on it. Maybe the poster is young, or has never painted before. No need to say anything critical. Great: be proud. (You can take that too far, as with some gaming forums, where pics are posted that look like someone grabbed the cat and dipped its tail in house paint to do the figs--and the comments are all, "Great!", "Fantastic!", Superb!") But to repeatedly post links to *other* people's work of this caliber, as if they were to be emulated? Bizarre.

I prefer to be inspired. It's made me better over the years. When I painted Airfix "Washington's Army" figures (and others) in the early '70s, I didn't know better than just to paint a flesh blob on faces and hands. I'm really surprised that people think that's a good standard in 2010.

If that's elitist, so be it. I'm sure not ashamed of it.

Allen

Nah, a lot of what you say is true Allen. Some of the stuff posted on ETS is crap. But I suspect it is from young kids or folks from countries with little or no activity in the hobby. However, some posts there are awe inspiring. I'm not sure why he repeatedly posts things from ETS rather than just a link? Just ask the guy.

Ivan, I vehemently disagree. I have seen stunning painted 1/72 figs. Easily as good if not better than anything I have ever seen in 15mm. The larger the fig the more detail able to be painted.

Thanks,

John

A good "DIP" in MinWax Polyshades would do wonders….worldwide.

Allen would look awful silly coated in minwax, but I'm game.

Would Alan look best in Tudor,or a lighter shade? Would Ace Hardware special order a can that big?

Oh dear, how would we fit his, um, ego? Best to pour it in a large wading pool.

My painting is lousy, so I stick to "old soldier style." That pleases me, and I'm the only one I listen too in this case.

Not that I don't admire extremely well painted figures, but it's just not for me.

Some people tend to forget this is a hobby, and all about having fun.

Well said mousie.

John Leahy--

Please reread my post. I DID NOT SAY there is no good painting in 1/72. To the contrary, I took pains to say "there are some amazing 1/72 armies out there, which are a match for the best efforts of painter[s] of metal figures."

I agree with you when you say "I have seen stunning painted 1/72 figs. Easily as good if not better than anything I have ever seen in 15mm. The larger the fig the more detail able to be painted."

Nothing in that statement is in anyway incompatible with what I wrote.

All I'm saying is that (in my humble, and unimportant opinion) although 1/72 figures can be, and often ARE, painted superbly, ON AVERAGE the painting standard seems a bit lower. But that is just my impression, and it may be entirely incorrect.

I'm not trying to offend anyone. I've got a large collection of 1/72 plastics myself, they are a great genre of figures.

Some people are better craftsmen that others.

All that matters is that someone has sat down and painted figures and at the end of the day said "I enjoyed that. I'm pleased at the result"

If they want to share their pleasure by posting pictures, fine.

This link is everything I painted last year. (Virtually all metal). Some of it's dire. Some of it's reasonable. But I enjoyed doing all of it link

" This may be a reflection of the "cheap and cheerful" mindset of plastice afficianados"

LOL. I just daub the paint onto my plastics, quick wash and a drybrush, job done. Mind you, that is what I do for my metals as well these days…. the days of painstakingly drawing on tank destruction badges with a micron pen are long gone.

I think Allen is saying that there is realy no good reason to celebrate mediocrity. They don't serve boiled hot dogs and boxed mac and cheese on the Food Network, despite the fact quite a few folks eat them. It is more of a "try to do better, and here is how you can…" kinda thing.

ETS isn't the be all and end all of 1/72 figs…

link

link

I agree in principle with Allen but Armand goes his own way with posting stuff whether it be the colour of Napoleon's underpants or dioramas of lesser quality.

Allen offended by those little comments? I doubt it.Btw, I also would be at the head of the line in acknowledging his helpfullness as well.

I was going to resist commenting, but what the hell.

Is the stuff on the links supplied pretty ordinary – yes, it is.

Could I do any better? – almost certainly not.

Does this matter? – not in the least.

Whence the intensely proprietary attitude to the way that subscribers spend their time on this site? If people don't want to look at links or posts from a regular poster/s, they soon get the drift and avoid opening the link. If not, what's lost?

And I have no idea what ETS is.

And don't really care.

I enjoy this site, a great deal, mostly, but there are days when I wonder whether some regular posters ought not to take a real deep breath.

Allen – tempting as it is to stick a stiffle your way, I will resist as I like reading your old man grumpiness posts.

I enjoy painting 1/72, and I paint way better than most ETS contribtions. But it is an open forum (HaT that is) and people who send pics in get them added. And for that, I congratulate HaT, as they do not judge.

Most people when they add a HaT link try to do so to the better works – I find I add a lot when people take the mickey out of plastics, even the new 28mm. Their products paint up very well, and it is nice to see. If they really offend you, just don't follow the links.

As to photos needing to be inspirational, I disagree. I think the fact that people are buying, painting and playing with toy soldiers is inspirational enough – i do not need everyone to paint to collectors' standards.

And trust me – at my club, ETS would be an improvement over some figures we play with. But at the end of the day we enjoy our gaming.

So try and relax, and if you really get upset by ETS, from the plastic pages.

How cool is that – my first "bleep" – and that for a turf related phrase. I love TMP (and ETS)

All I care about from the HaT site is that I get to see the figs with some paint on them. The standard seems to be about equal to actual wargames table standard in most parts.

I have gotten "Wow!" comments on worse painted figures.

As for Allen's comments, he is sort of like the Andy Rooney of TMP.

You know what… there's a lot of stuff in that list, but all the ones I've clicked on are absolutely fine.

Painted to basic wargames standard – and let's be clear, there is nothing wrong with that – well presented and well-photographed.

Two thoughts from in my brain-jelly…

Firstly, if any of these projects belonged to a mate of ours, I'm damn sure we'd all find something positive to say about them.

Second, a look down the contributor's names shows at least one guy there who posts his pics in the relevant TMP board.
(Although probably not for much longer, after this thread.)

Nota bene, gents.

Mixed bag, yes. Though I thought this one was pretty good: hat.com/Othr8/Kris59P.html

I do raise my eyebrows at the apparent need to twit other people's hobby efforts. It would be one thing if the various photo submitters were trying to sell their services as painters or sculptors… but they're not. They're just sharing what they've done and are proud of. I might also point out that closeup photos of figs tend to be carp, partly because when looking at a diorama, the idea is to see "the whole thing," not "the extreme closeup of Teddy's left eyebrow," and partly because flash photography can wash out subtler colors and details, and cause things to appear brighter, shinier and flatter than they really are.

I do think a dip might be beneficial. (I'm not saying what or who… )

aecurtis – you are an elitist snob. Sure, the stuff in the luggage is very weird and dreadfully executed. About half of the shots on ETS is a little suspect with some pretty unpleasant conversions and paint jobs. The other stuff is great. Including, may I add some of my stuff. I do take grave exception being lumped into "plastic tat, and don't mind mediocre painting at best".
I too was tempted to stifle you, but your righteous indignation over this actually amused me.

Actually, some of the basing on ETS is frankly hilarious and bizarre, but hell, the figures are actually painted and owners are having fun with them.

A bit mean spirited Allan.

The HAT/ETS community seem to be a positive and happy one.
I thought about posting this link there but why should I bring hurt into other people's lives. A concept you might like to think about.

Well despite all the comments on painting I thought the site was way cool with a large section of hobby I was't really aware of. Thanks for sharing it.

you know, I only took a quick look at some of them at random from that link, but a lot of them seem a heck of a lot better than stuff posted on TMP where everyone says what a wonderful paint job it is or congratulates the poster when in reality it looks a bit of a to say the least.

Does anyone know anyone under the age of 45 that purchases and paints HaT? I've never seen kids buy HaT. I'm not sure they even know it exists. Has anyone ever seen a HaT fig on CMON, Dakka Dakka or other sites? I would imagine the guys that paint these things are generally older guys who know what they want and don't care much for perfect style.

That being said, I think that those figs would look so much better without the bad drybrushing and more like old toy soldiers.

I am under 45 and buy and Paint HAT, Caesar and Emhar for Chariot Wars era WAB gaming.

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Feel free to slate them.

Pat

Great Chariot War's stuff! Do you only use WAB? I like your other figs too.

Thanks,

John

Blush, no just Wab in ancients, as they are singly based. I am building a couple of 20mm WWII armies, and lastly both sides for the FPW. I have to admit it's my least-used scale other than 6mm.

Pat

Is funny how your opinion of someone can change so quickly & so drastically.

I'm inclined to agree with Allen on this one. I don't mind badly painted minis one bit, but when I look at stuff I want to be inspired!

I also think perhaps Allen got a bit peeved going through a load of different links to pages on this site that have been posted here onTMP in quick succession today. So he did the reasonable thing, and linked to the main page, and as the title of this thread suggests, saved everyone a lot of time!

And let's not beat about the bush here, some of those minis on the HAT site have decent paint jobs, but some are also just a wee bit shocking…

And thank you Allen for all the heads us you've given me over the years!

Hey Pat. What scale are you doing the FPW in? I'm doing it again too.

Thanks,

John

20mm using Emhar. It's very early doors, going to be using F&F (Feur Und Zorn variant) – only bought about a dozen boxes of 50 for each side, no idea yet what I am going to do fgor cavalry.

Pat

Under 45 (though just barely), HaT war elephant in 1/32 is the only thing I currently own, but that'll change when they finally ship the @#$%&* 28mm Bavarians.

DO have great heaps of Zvezda tho…

Wow! I'm doing it in 1/72 too! I am using Strelet's British Crimean War Dragoons for Prussian Cav along with WWI German Lancers. I am proxying the Hussars too. I use Hat WWI Jagers for FPW ones. I just bought 12 boxes of 1859 Austrians and 6 boxes of 1859 Austrian Arty to fight my Prussians. They were $4.99 USD or less a set. I'll use mainly Naps Austrian Cav. I picked up B&B FPW Bavarians. Artillery for the Prussians will use Russian Crimean gunners and modified eagle Games artillery guns. The guns are dirt cheap and you get a load of them. Just need to modify the breech. I am using Naps Brunswick Avant Garde for Austrian Jagers.

I think I'll be using Field of Battle. Each unit will be a regiment for larger games. Battalion for smaller single Corp's games.

Then I'll work on my Emhar and Hat french.

;-D

Allen is being a nob.

Actually, although they may not post on TMP, a lot of the ETS posters are teenagers. And I starter buying plastics again when I was in my early 30's, and am still under 45 now :-)

Probably a shock to some, but TMP is not the only hobby forum, and I know that if I mention TMP on the HaT forum I will generally get a response asking "What is TMP?"

"but TMP is not the only hobby forum, "

Isn't it? I'm not sure I like the idea of that, where would I find the time to post to two forums?