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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP13 Apr 2010 11:28 p.m. PST

I'm about to launch into a large 25/28mm War of the Roses project that will require me to, among other things, purchase some Old Glory 25mm figures which require drilling.

I totally avoided buying these figures for a past medieval Scots project because I knew nothing about drilling and couldnt be bothered to learn!

Well, a few years have gone by and I'm willing to expand my horizons (and my pocket book!). I still know absolutely nothing about what is needed, where to get "it" or what to do with "it" once I get it.


So veteran drillers, pretend you are talking to a Moron ;-) and tell me what I need to get, where to get it, and what to do with it so that I can put some spears/polearms in the hands of my little 25mm Old Glory War of the Roses friends.

Much appreciated!

Timmo uk14 Apr 2010 12:09 a.m. PST

You need a model makers micro drill preferably one on a drill stand as it makes things so much easier. Its also easier if you can adjust the drill speed. A small clamp to hold your figure is not essential but helps.

A pack of drill bits in suitable sizes and that's about it. H&S would say eye protection as well just in case.

You can of course use a pin vice to hold your drill bit and twiddle away by hand but if your doing lots of figures its easier to use a power drill.

Cog Comp14 Apr 2010 2:31 a.m. PST

I have found that for most projects on miniatures, one does not need a powered drill, and that more accurate holes that can be produces almost as fast as with a powered drill can be had with a jeweler's drill pin-vice.

I do not agree with Timmo, but then I have a perfectionist streak a mile wide and power drills tend to produce more "off" holes that require other attention or repair than does a pin-vice drill, and I have drilled out the hands of several thousand minis (Greeks, Romans, and Celts from Xyston and Corvus Belli – to replace bendy spears on the Corvus Belli minis, and all manner of Essex figures – as they all have spaghetti spears; 28mm LotR figures from GW, and 10mm Magister Militum and OG figures to name just a few). I have found no difference in speed when I compared some that I did with a powered drill to knowing how to use a pin-vice drill effectively (I've found that it takes some practice to get used to the correct usage of the pin-vice drills, and it is less likely to break smaller drill-bits).

CeruLucifus14 Apr 2010 2:42 a.m. PST

The pin vice drill is inexpensive so get it right off.

I have one of the the battery Dremel models. I use it on metal miniatures but I start a pilot hole with the pin vise first. On plastic, the power drill gets too hot unless you're careful, so better to use a pin vise for the whole hole.

pointyjavelin14 Apr 2010 2:46 a.m. PST

Pin Vice. Nuf Sed.

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2010 2:51 a.m. PST

Pin Vice (or Vise for the Colonials), it is!

Timmo uk14 Apr 2010 3:35 a.m. PST

The pin vice is cheap and just as good if not a better (cheaper solution) but I've just got so used to using a power drill that I now find it easier. As Don mentions a tiny guide hole then your away. I've rebuilt hands at different angles using green stuff and still drilled these out with a power drill successfully.

Ed Mohrmann14 Apr 2010 3:56 a.m. PST

What donrice said. After the pilot/guide hole, a
variable speed Dremel turned waay down does the job,
just be careful not to slant the drill bit, 'cause
it will either bind or (worse) snap.

Klebert L Hall14 Apr 2010 4:02 a.m. PST

I like the lowest-speed cordless Dremel available for this job. Mine's an ancient Mini-Mite 750.
-Kle.

Cosmic Reset14 Apr 2010 4:12 a.m. PST

Low RPM is the key with a power drill/dremell. Many of the really small diameter bits are not really designed for high speed drilling apprications.

rddfxx14 Apr 2010 5:12 a.m. PST

I have a chuck that is designed for small bits, so I use a regular cordless power drill. Variable speed is important, as is keeping things slow and easy at start-up. A pin vise is often helpful to start holes, especially on surfaces that lack a small pit or dimple for a start. Todays metals are very hard compared to the soft white metal of days past, so you will likely break some bits on a large project, no matter how careful you are. I often put the figure's hand to be drilled against a wood block for support and drill right through the hand into the block. Remember, reverse is your friend! If the hand being drilled is not supported, you may have a problem with it bending and or breaking. Finally, it isn't always best to drill top down through the hand. Take a good look. Sometimes it works better to drill from the bottom of the hand up through the top.

Wildman14 Apr 2010 5:33 a.m. PST

Buy extra drill bits of the most common sizes.No matter how
carefull you are, they break.

Sundance14 Apr 2010 5:39 a.m. PST

Even when using apin vise, you might be interested to know that Dremel makes a set of extra small bits down to 1/32".

pphalen14 Apr 2010 6:40 a.m. PST

I stopped using a pin vise, and just use my cordless Dewalt drill, witha 1/8" bit. Like rdfxx says, variable speed is important, but I dfound it so much weasier to use then my Dremel or a pin vise.

richarDISNEY14 Apr 2010 7:22 a.m. PST

Yea… Pin Vices are a good starting place….
But…
I would not trade in my Dremel Stylus ( link ) for anything.
beer

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP14 Apr 2010 7:31 a.m. PST

Pin vise is ok for soft metal, but modern pewter figures are a pain to drill this way. Electric Dremel or other brand is so much easier. I use exacto knife to score the spot in an "X" and then drill. Use safety glasses if you do not have shatter proof specs. I use magnifiers also. I use fairly large bit, but if I need a bigger hole, I will then use pin vise to enlarge.
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I have found this drill very easy to use, and cheaper than Dremel. Faster to change bits. It is "Designed For Her" but works very well for "him" too :)
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Rich Knapton14 Apr 2010 9:18 a.m. PST

If you go the pin-vice route, find one with a round wooden handle. It is easier on your palm. The pin-vice route is perfect for Old Glory figures.

Rich

wrgmr114 Apr 2010 9:35 a.m. PST

I use a variable speed hand held drill from Canadian Tire. Their home brand Mastercraft, it works great. Comes with a locking stand to use when sharpening up metel wire spears.
I use the metal ones sold by Old Glory and just put a nice sharp point on them. People are careful with your figures.

quidveritas14 Apr 2010 10:20 a.m. PST

I have found a pin vise gives you a lot more control and better results.

I use three pin vises -- each with a successively larger bit -- that way I don't have to change them out.

I start with a #11 blade on an exacto knife to score the metal where I will drill. Then I start with a small bit and go till I punch through or until the bit binds.

Then I step up to the next size until the hole is of a sufficient diameter.

mjc

Ivan DBA14 Apr 2010 10:46 a.m. PST

The other good thing about the pin vice is that, if you are like me and do a lot of your hobby stuff in the wee hours, it won't wake the missus!

EagleSixFive15 Apr 2010 3:20 a.m. PST

And, use some soap on the bit when drilling.

a. Makes it easier.
b. Swarf won't clog the flutes.

McWong7315 Apr 2010 7:16 p.m. PST

What richardDMB said, the Dremel Stylus is a god send for wargamers. Remember to pick up the extra chuck to allow micro sized bits.

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