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Number610 Apr 2010 2:10 p.m. PST
Personal logo Parzival Supporting Member of TMP10 Apr 2010 2:24 p.m. PST

That's cool. (Literally!)

Timbo W10 Apr 2010 2:55 p.m. PST

Project Habbakuk, classic mad science WW2-style!!

here's the Wiki link

IIRC Churchill tried out pykrete in his bath :-)

How to game it? Well I guess a big slab of white-ish expanded polystyrene with flak guns and 1/300 planes attacking and defending.

Phil196510 Apr 2010 3:23 p.m. PST

An old Miniature Wargaming had an article on Habbakuk, it was quite interesting, it even had a guide to making a wargame version!

Battle Works Studios10 Apr 2010 3:35 p.m. PST

There was a very silly PS2 game (Naval War Commander, maybe?) that had one of those as a boss. The easy way to kill it was to design a ship with multiple naval flamethrower cannons(!) as the main weapons. It didn't like being on fire much.

The same game eventually gave you a wave motion gun as a design option, which was a bit over the top for a game theoretically based on WW2.

Happy Little Trees10 Apr 2010 4:01 p.m. PST

There's an episode of Mythbusters all about this.

Lentulus10 Apr 2010 4:07 p.m. PST

I would say an economics game in which you attack your opponent with insane-but-just-barely plausible weapons ideas might work.

Allen5710 Apr 2010 4:27 p.m. PST

Mythbusters is to science as I am to sex stud.

TheCaptainGeneral10 Apr 2010 4:49 p.m. PST

link

Here is a 1:6000 scale Habbakuk

Kaoschallenged10 Apr 2010 5:31 p.m. PST

Quite a bit out there on the subject. David Manley even wrote up the stats for this theoretical class of ship for VaS. Robert

link
project-habbakuk.blogspot.com

1/700 HMS HABBAKUK pykrete aircraft carrier (1943)
link

Mythbusters episode with Pykrete
link

Palafox10 Apr 2010 5:54 p.m. PST

How would the germans have reacted to that?.

I imagine a classic german mad doctor chatting with some classic general (SS of course) called Grüebbenhaüte with a monocle and a small classic gestapo guy with glasses and black hat and coat.

"Do not worry Herr Generral, superior German mind find perfect solution to ice-ship menace. We build two gigantic hairdryers and place in Narvik and Brest. Puny Englanders never be able to come close to great Reich, Jawhol!"

Another Account Deleted10 Apr 2010 6:28 p.m. PST

Mythbusters is to science as I am to sex stud.


Fabio? Is that you?

Dravi7412 Apr 2010 5:50 a.m. PST

Seen the Mythbusters episode. They made a speedboat out of a modified pykrete. Used newspapers instead of the sawdust. Worked surprisingly well, although I still wouldn't want to use it in place of steel armour and a hull that won't melt.

wminsing12 Apr 2010 7:46 a.m. PST

although I still wouldn't want to use it in place of steel armour and a hull that won't melt.

But patching a hole in ice armor would be a snap and the ship was intended for the North Atlantic so I don't think melting was too big a problem!

-Will

Rod Robertson12 Apr 2010 11:48 a.m. PST

My father worked for a time on this project with the National Research Council in Canada. The project was a serious under-taking and they even made test mini-Habbakuks in some lakes up north. The key to the project's success was developing a Pykrete which would stand up to the salt water; a key which as far as I know eluded them. Eventually he was transfered to developing plywood for use in high-speed airplanes – like the mosquito and flame-thrower propellants. Incidently mom worked on bio-weapons just after the war! No wonder that I have this morbid fascination with wargames!
Rod Robertson.

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