"Hohenfriedberg?" Topic

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Fergal	30 Mar 2010 9:25 a.m. PST
I've looked through the usual internet sources and can't find much past a smallish Wikipedia article on this battle. I have found the Saxon forces in the Nafzinger articles, but not Prussian or Austrian. Could anyone lead me to a good online source for this? And after that a good book describing everything a wargamer would want to know! Thanks in advance, I'm looking to get my SYW troops into some other situations.
Der Alte Fritz	30 Mar 2010 12:00 p.m. PST
I wrote an article about the battle in the old SYW Assn Journal with a complete order of battle. If you will send me your address via my blog (use the comments box) I can send you a photocopy or e-scan next week when I return from my spring vacation. Also, the book "Die Schlact der Friedrich de Grosse" by Dorn and Englemann has maps and oob's of the battle. On Military Matters might have copies Fritz
Graf Bretlach	30 Mar 2010 1:59 p.m. PST
This map and OBs might be a good start, from the Marburg digital archive. link download the pdf version it zooms in very well I could probably give you quite detailed listings with regiments/generals/losses & possible strengths for all the forces, but I'm not there yet, should have some quick n dirty lists in my 1745 folder, will look after posting this
Graf Bretlach	30 Mar 2010 2:17 p.m. PST
I did this one in 1992, using Dorn/Engelmann & Duffy, could do a lot better now, there might some errors in it. Was a major defeat for the Austrians/Saxons & where the Bayreuth dragoons made their reputation. The Austrian & Saxon Army Austrian Commander Prinz Karl von Lothringen Saxon Commander Herzog von Sachsen Weissenfels Austrian Infantry 47 btns Austrian Cavalry 126 Sqns Austrian Grenadiers 50 Coy Austrian Artillery Total 37,654 men Kroats and Hussars 3,000 men Austrian Total 41,200 men lost 10,332 men (25%) & 34 guns Austrian losses 4,630 killed & wounded 5,655 captured Saxon Infantry 18 btns Saxon Cavalry 24 sqns Saxon Artillery Total 22,500 men lost 2,844 men (12.6%) & 29 guns Uhlans 2,600 men Saxon losses 3,450 men & 3,378 captured ? total 6,828 men Total 66,000 men 40 heavy & 81 btn guns lost 13,176 men Saxon cavalry of GL Birkholz (16 sqns) Saxon cavalry Brigade GM Sondershausen CR Rutowsky 4 sqns CR Schlichting 2 sqns KR Karabiniers 4 sqns CR Bestenbostel 2 sqns CR Wassey 2 sqns CR Konigin Prinz 2 sqns Cavalry of GL Bernes (26 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Bechini KR12 Czernin 6.5 sqns KR5 Birkenfeld 6.5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Moring KR15 Graf Palffy 6.5 sqns KR8 Lucchesi 6.5 sqns Saxon cavalry of GL Bolentz (8 sqns) Saxon cavalry Brigade GM Schlichting CR Sondershausen 2 sqns CR Baudring 2 sqns CR Wersdorff 2 sqns CR O'Byrn 2 sqns Saxon infantry of GL Renard (10 btns) Saxon Infantry Brigade GM Durfeld (5 btns) IR2 Garde 2 btns IR3 Konigin 1 btn IR Sachsen Weissenfels 1 btn IR Cosel 1 btn Saxon infantry brigade GM Haxthausen (5 btns) IR11 Graf Bruhl 2 btns IR9 Prinz Xavier 2 btns IR Zweite Garde 1 btn Infantry of GL Mercy (6 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Meligny IR12 Botta D'Adorno 3 btns IR34 de Vettes 3 btns Infantry of GL Wolfenbuttel (8 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Durlach IR23 Baden Baden 3 btns IR18 Marschall 2 btns IR26 Grunne 3 btns Infantry of GL Konigsegg (6 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Harsch IR57 Graf Thungen 3 btns IR27 Hessen Kassel 3 btns Infantry of GL Wallis (6 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Marschall IR54 Alt Konigsegg 3 btns IR1 Franz Lothringen 3 btns Saxon infantry of GL Jasmund (8 btns) Saxon Infantry Brigade GM Frankenberg IR Allnpeck 1 btn IR Franz Pirch 1 btn IR Schonberg 2 btns IR4 Sachsen Gotha 2 btns IR Niesemeuschel 1 btn IR Nikolas Pirch 1 btn Infantry of GL Kollowrat (6 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Puebla IR36 Browne 2 btns IR51 Stephan Gyulai 4 btns Infantry of GL Grunne (6 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Hagenau IR17 Kollowrat 3 btns IR59 Leopold Daun 3 btns Infantry of GL Daun (7 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Starhemberg IR7 Neipperg 2 btns IR47 Graf Harrach 2 btns IR3 Karl Lothringen 3 btns Cavalry Corps General Hohenembs Cavalry of GL St Ignon (6.5 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Bentheim KR6 Bernes 6.5 sqns Cavalry of GL Ballayra (19.5 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Kuestein KR11 Diemar 6.5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Kalckreuth KR17 Johann Palffy 6.5 sqns DR1 Althann 6.5 sqns Cavalry Corps GL Berlichingen Cavalry of GL Philibert (13 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Konig KR13 Fr St.Ignon 6.5 sqns KR3 A St.Ignon 6.5 sqns Cavalry of GL von Sachsen Gotha (13 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Forgatsch KR2 Hohenembs 6.5 sqns DR9 Liechtenstein 6.5 sqns Reserve Corps Saxon artillery Bty Wilster 16 Heavy guns Cavalry Brigade (2,600 men) 3 Uhlan Pulk Cavalry of GL Fr St Ignon (19.5 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Spada DR2 Philibert 6.5 sqns DR3 Wurttemberg 6.5 sqns DR13 Preysing 6.5 sqns Artillery Bty Feuerstein 24 Heavy guns Cavalry of GL Graf Nadasti (18 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Esterhazy HR9 Nadasti HR8 Prinz Esterhazy HR3 Ghilanyi The Prussian Army Commander King Frederick II Infantry 38,600 men in 69 btns (559 each) Cavalry 19,900 men in 151 sqns (131 each) Artillery 54 heavy & 84 btn cannon (3 guns per btn) Total 50,000 lost 4,751 men (9.4%) Losses 190 Officers,259 NCOs,4,302 men total 4,751 Captured 9,033 men,72 guns,83 Flags & standards,8 Kettle drums Captured by DR5 2,500 men & 66 Flags Avantgarde GL du Moulin (6 btns & 30 sqns) Cavalry Brigade HR6 Soldan 10 sqns HR5 Ruesch 10 sqns HR4 Natzmer 10 sqns Infantry Brigade GM Winterfeldt (6 btns) Gb Lepel (20,26) Gb Luck (12,29) Gb Tauentzien (1,23) Gb Jeetze (5,36) Gb Geist (13,37) Gb Kleist (2,17) Left Wing Cavalry (45 sqns) Cavalry of GL Nassau (25 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Rochow KR5 Prinz Friedrich 5 sqns KR4 Gesslar 5 sqns KR7 Bredow 5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Kyau KR8 Rochow 5 sqns KR9 Bornstedt 5 sqns Cavalry of GL Gesslar (20 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Bornstedt DR3 Rothenburg 5 sqns DR4 Bonin 5 sqns DR5 Bayreuth 10 sqns Oberst Otto Martin von Schwerin lost 94 men Infantry Corps GL Markgraf Karl (20 btns) Infantry of GL Lehwaldt (9 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Polentz Gb Hertzberg (32,33) Gb Trenck (11,14) Gb Kalhbutz (2,24) Gb Schoning (8,30) Gb Grumbkow (7,21) Infantry Brigade GM Bredow IR24 Alt Schwerin 2 btns IR2 Schlichting 2 btns Infantry of GL Dohna (11 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Munchow IR7 Bevern 2 btns IR23 Blanckensee 2 btns Infantry Brigade GM Prinz Ferdinand IR1 Hacke 2 btns IR6 Grenadier Garde btn Retzow IR15 Garde 2 btns IR19 Markgraf Karl 2 btns Infantry of Marshal Prinz Leopold (15 btns) Infantry of GL Prinz Dietrich (9 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Blanckensee IR13 Truchsess 2 btns IR14 Lehwaldt 2 btns IR25 Kalckstein 2 btns IR3 Alt Anhalt 3 btns Infantry Brigade GM Prinz Moritz Gb Sydow (4,22) Gb Buddenbrock (3,6) Gb Wedell (15,18) Gb Kleist (16,G1) Gb Jaeger (31,40) Gb Langenau (2,G11) Artillery Bty du Moulin 15 Heavy guns Artillery Bty 6 24pdr guns Second Line Infantry GzM Kalckstein (28 btns) Infantry of GL La Motte Fouque (16 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Herzberg IR8 Anhalt Zerbst 2 btns IR5 Bonin 2 btns IR20 Herzberg 2 btns Infantry Brigade GM Kalijow IR21 Bredow 2 btns IR30 Jeetze 2 btns IR29 Jung Borcke 2 btns Infantry Brigade GM Prinz von Preussen IR44 Alt Dohna 2 btns IR37 du Moulin 2 btns Infantry of GL Truchsess (12 btns) Infantry Brigade GM Prinz von Bevern IR4 Polentz 2 btns IR28 Hautcharmoy 2 btns IR12 Hessen Darmstadt 2 btns Infantry Brigade GM Bonin IR22 Prinz Moritz 2 btns IR17 La Motte Fouque 2 btns IR11 Holstein Beck 2 btns Right Wing Cavalry FM Buddenbrock (48 sqns) Cavalry Division GL Rothenburg (26 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Goltz KR12 Kyau 5 sqns KR11 Leib Karabiniere 5 sqns KR2 Prinz von Preussen 5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Bredow DR1 Buddenbrock 5 sqns KR10 Gendarmes 5 sqns KR13 Garde du Corps 1 sqn Cavalry of GL Posadowsky (20 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Schwerin DR2 Wurttemberg 5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Bonin DR1 Podsadowsky 5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Stille DR6 Alt Mollendorff 10 sqns Reserve Cavalry Corps (30 sqns) Cavalry Brigade GM Hans von Zieten HR1 Bronikowsky 5 sqns DR11 Nassau 5 sqns DR12 Alt Wurttemberg 5 sqns Cavalry Brigade GM Bronikowsky HR7 Hallasch 5 sqns HR2 Zieten 10 sqns
Fergal	31 Mar 2010 10:04 a.m. PST
Thank you SOOO MUCH gentlemen. You have given me the start I need. Alte Fritz, I'll be in touch, enjoy the break. Why is the SYW so well documented an the WAS bereft of info?

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