"Victrix Cacadores Painted" Topic

Just finished some of these – some of the ones with rifles and some with muskets. They are very nicely sculpted with fine detail – like the hunting horn badges on the shakos and ammo pouches. The numeral 6 is also sculpted on the shako; but it's small enough that if you want to paint up another battalion it shouldn't be a problem (I did anyway )

Here's some shots of them as well as a comparison with Perry metal Rifleman. They match up perfectly IMO.

4th Bn picture
6th Bn picture
Rear of figures with rifles and muskets picture
Victrix and Perry metals picture
Regards, Dean

Very nice.
Any figures that can stand up next to PERRYS must be very very good.
The Victrix models are more expensive, (though I don't understand why).
Cheers

Scott:

I think the pricing is very close – it depends a lot on who you buy them from. You do know that the Victrix are in packs with 8 figures and the Perrys have 6. Thanks, Dean

Nice-looking models (and excellent paint jobs). Thanks for the comparison shot, in particular. I am flirting with the idea of maybe perhaps possibly painting some Napoleonics (one of the problems is I would have to paint both sides…).

Michael:

Thank you for your comments. I had the same reservations, but with some of the available skirmish type rules, you don't need to paint up a lot of figures to get started. Best wishes, Dean

Dean, do you undercoat with black or white? Or does it vary depending on the figures being painted? Thanks for sharing.

I think the pricing is very close – it depends a lot on who you buy them from. You do know that the Victrix are in packs with 8 figures and the Perrys have 6. Thanks, Dean

Victrix 1.25 per figure with 4 poses in the set of 8

Perry 1.00 per figure with 6 poses in the set of 6.

That makes Victrix 25% per more with less choice, guess depends how you define 'close', unless you know of a cheap source?

By the way, the figures themselves are excellent at least the equal of Perry and well painted!

Dennis:

For these guys, black was used. I tried white as an undercoat for some French and British line guys before; but I think I'll use black in the future. Thanks, Dean

Dean,
I am a long time 'black' undercoater, but in the last couple of months I have become a convert to grey after trying out the Humbrol enamel primer (which is a light grey), to my mind it combines the 'advantages' of both black and white without there respective 'disadvantages'.

Bravo:

Thanks for the tip – I may try grey. As far as pricing – I used Maelstrom Games for the Victrix – free shipping, but there was 15% VAT added – so I'd have to calculate that in. Being in the US, I have to consider shipping. I compared them with WarStore Perry prices (again they have a max shipping rate for all orders). Again, you'd have to factor in quantity bought, etc. And I do agree about the four poses v. six "value." Regards, Dean

Did the Cacadores have both musket-armed, and rifle-armed ment or companies in their battalions after moving the stovepipe shako, and going to 12 battalions instead of 6?

I recall a five-company organization when they were first formed. 1 company of Atiradores – sharpshooters? and 4 "other" companies. I don't think there were any rifles at first.

I would appreciate a source for information on the evolution of the Cacadores.

GdeP.

GdeP:

I would appreciate a source for information on the evolution of the Cacadores.

Sorry, but you won't get it from me I'm sure others have the answers though. I would be interested too.

I don't think there were any rifles at first.

This I believe is correct. In fact, I only painted these up to supplement small British Rifles units for an SP game soon – not even sure if that is historical. I mixed the rifles and muskets for more variety of poses – that's the only intent I had for using them as such.

Regards, Dean

Hello, Dean: The figures are beautifully painted! My apologies for not noting that before. You also chose two good regiments to represent from a color perspective, as both had the collar and cuffs the same color.

If I had good 30mm figures – and I may convert Stadden 60th and 95th Rifles, still made by Tradition, to cacadores – I'd do one of the battalions from late in the war. I believe the KGL line battalions had rifle platoons in addition to light companies; and that the 2 light battalions may have retained a mix of rifles and muskets even at Waterloo. Would make sense for the cacadores. Just how many Baker rifles would the British government want to produce?

I never went to the heavy-shading school used today. An old 54mm toy soldier war-gamer until the 1960's, I always like the grass-green stands look, and shading/shadow supplied by the 3 dimensionality of the figure. I don't think by now 8-year old grandson will be turned off when I give them to him when he is 12, and able to handle the figures without destroying them. He may have fun adding shading!

Back in the 1970's I converted Russian Pavloski grenadiers, and Prussian Guard by Stadden in 30mm to the early Cacadores. 15 figures, All have muskets, three with black plumes on the home-sculpted epoxy Barretina, while 12 had green. I also did some Stadden British line as the 15 Loyal Lusitanian Legion, but never did the rifle-armed later Cacadores. (The Lusitanians I believe became the 7th, 8th and 9th Cacadores in brown uniforms with the stovepipe.)

Hope someone can tell us the organization later in the war, and who had rifles!

GdeP

Excellent work Dean. Thanks for sharing.

Bill.

Garde de Paris,

The Portuguese army maintained the Caçadores Battalion five company organization until after the war. Only the Atiradores company was armed with the Baker rifle.

I foresee great fun converting Stadden 30mm British rifles into Cacadores with muskets! He made a great figure leaning slightly forward, firing; another running with right hand reaching back into the bullet pouch; and a third prone, firing. I don't use prone figures. I can also see taking the bottom half of the firing figure, and putting the top half of the loader on it for an additional figure.

GdeP

Here you can see the uniforms of both types.
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