"15mm Garford Putilov Armored car" Topic

Does anyone make this beast in 15mm?

Thanks
Terry

No, but it would be a useful thing to have.

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Allen

There are several in various other scales. It would be a useful vehicle. It severed from the First World War and there may have been a few still in service when Germany invaded the Soviet Union, so that gives lots of scope for actions

Terry

Allen,

Thanks for the link. I'm putting together a 28mm German armored detachment for 1919 Berlin and the site is perfect.

Have been wanting someone to make these for years. I even went as far as starting to design it as a paper model. Never finished it though…..keep hoping that someone will make one in metal or resin…but noone ever seems to!!

I have considered it but have too many balls in the air as it is.

How many people want this?

Dave G
The PT Dockyard

Paperpanzer has a free 1/72 model template of the Putilov Garford to download – somewhat simplified. Perhaps you could scale it down?

paperpanzer.co.uk

PDF link

How many people want this?

It's the most requested item on the RCW Yahoo list, I reckon, being the only major gap in the current lines.

You'd want to size it to go with Peter Pig and Minifig armoured vehicles for my taste.

Hmm. Let's see what the summer brings. Finishing up the 1/600 RCW riverine right now.

No promises but it has been one I have thought of making many, many times.

Dave G
The PT Dockyard
ptdockyard.com

Sorry, but as an aside, and as this is not an area with which I've very familiar, I noticed the text referred to 'less than 180 degrees of traverse', but thought the included pictures looked like a great deal more.

How have I gone wrong, and, yes, you may refer to me as 'you silly sod'.

Doug

PS Not sure how dear this would be, but I'm rather taken by it, as well!

Traverse was probably around 200 degrees. It had issues with gun mountings first- but those were overcome shortly. It was a nasty piece of equipment- especially when it had operational freedom. There is an account of some of its actions in one of the Ulianov's books…
I am thinking about making one- not sure what scale-maybe in 25mm? We do not have a line of 15mm products- but maybe we should?

Please do this in 15mm! Please please please!

I'll buy 5 if they aren't insanemy priced!

It would be ideal for Victorian Scienc Fiction gaming!

Terry

@sergeis Thanks! The piccies make the traverse look like even more than 10% forward of perpendicular, but that's a hard call. Definitely, a bit forward.

Nasty as in 'I wouldn't have wanted to face it?' I'm assuming it was nasty the other way with the 'issues' you mention. ;->=

I'm not far into 15mm VSF, but will admit this looks like some well worth considering for future purchase!

Doug

I am not aware of any major tech difficulties it had. nasty as in sometimes it rampaged vs German cav or artillery on the march with horrific results.

At the Conference of Wargamers this weekend Graham Evans had 2 of these in 15mm and very nice they were too. Before you all get excited they were scratch built. I'll try and get a pic of them.

Pictures here – scroll down. link

10 points for the effort and unfortunately 0 points for the accuracy. Marvelous, BUT not correct.

10 points for the effort and unfortunately 0 points for the accuracy. Marvelous, BUT not correct.

That's a bit harsh. 0 points? It has 4 wheels, a gun and 2 MG's. I look forward to seeing your effort.

Yep, I reconsidered- 5 points for accuracy. I WAS a bit harsh there… I think I will start mine today…

So I started the undercarriage- roughed out. making it in 1:110 scale. Jeez- that thing is monstrous! I did not realize it was almost 6 meters long and sat 8-9 crew!

It is a beast! That is one of the many reassns it would be great for Victorian Science Fiction!

Terry

I roughed out most of the shapes- looks beastly indeed!
Nifty thing about Garford is that the US made chassis had a gismo- where by turning a lever your forward 4 speeds became 4 reverse and 1 reverse became 1 forward. I think they had a second steerage in the back too- independent steerage? 7.62mm mountain gun was housed in a casing- I bet not to protect the barrel but to minimize blast reverb while shooting almost forward. I will make the turret separate- so can be turned anyway. Problem though- Garford is only a puny part of 9 inch mold. What the heck else I should do to pack that sucker??? I was thinking about Russian trench gun- 37mm, maybe a Russian trench mortar, but what else???

Sergei, if you are looking for missing models in 15 mm then:

There are no Russian 76mm horse artillery guns.

For RCW peasant carts carrying infantry would be nice.

A 6" naval gun would be very useful for making armed trains and boats.

Ford armoured cars, like the Poles had, would sell too.

(I alone would buy 2 to 4 of all of those, so long as they match Peter Pig. Plus 2 Garfords, of course.)

Mark- I do not own a single mini by Peter Pig so cannot compare. I stick to 1:110 scale seems to be working.
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Next to shiny roughed out Garford is a FoW (Battlefront minis?) truck. As you see it is same length- but much bulkier model. No wheels yet.

I think you mean 76mm mountain gun- short barrel- same used in Garford.
I can make peasant cart ( I guess)sans horse and passengers.
6" naval gun is possible if I find blueprints.
Ford armored cars- blueprints?
I never did anything in 15mm- doing medieval in 28mm, fantasy in 54mm and naval in 1:2400. So sculpting figs might be a problem. Banging out vehicles is much less of a challenge.

I believe Peter Pig are true 1:100. That would be best for artillery.

For armoured cars I quite like 1:110 as it makes them just that little bit smaller – which can matter when they are as big as the Garford!

I'll have a look around for stuff on the Polish armoured cars and naval guns. I should have something.

I should have pictures of the horse artillery gun too. It's short barrelled with a curving shield IIRC.

I have blueprints on mountain gun from Zeughaus.

GREAT!

TMP's very own page on scales is very interesting:

TMP link

It seems to suggest "true" 15mm is 1/107 scale and "big" 15mm is 1/100 (actually 16.1mm using "eye height").

@ Durruti- I am only doing vehicles and artillery pieces. So will stick to Mark's advice. Garford in 1:100 would be quite terrifying! With wheels on it dwarfs now FoW Truck- same scale though 1:110.

So, sergeis, are you making this for production? Is so, through who?

The Ford FT-B was a tiny little thing – the exact opposite of the Garford:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_FT-B
derela.republika.pl/ftb.htm

plans can be found here:

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For naval guns, something that looks like:

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There's a couple of photos in the Osprey on White Armour too.

Since they were all improvised, more or less, the exact shape of the gun is not hugely important. A BIG barrel, with shield, and gun workings behind.

This is a 6" gun of the period, commonly used, which would be perfect:

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How about this odd little gun?

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Good. Now I don't have to look at the Garford plans and feel guilty. Off to make more paddle steamer gunboats…

Dave G
The PT Dockyard

That is a great picture, I've never seen it on a field carriage before! Thanks
Terry

If this is for production put me down for 50.00 worth!
Thanks
Terry

Yep- this is for Molniya minis- as I am a half of that. I am more and more leaning towards doing a limited prod run. Since it is looking like I just would not be able to stuff the mold with all sort of 15mm goodies ( or if I do- I will NOT sell them)- I think I will ask my moldmaker to put it with something else and have a limited run- MAYBE 25-30 pieces. If I sell them- fine, if there is a need for more- I can sink the master again…
Making the full mold might be a bit premature at this point.
I managed to mill out quite a large chunk of metal out of the model- just to make it at least a bit lighter and have a better quality casting. Still- it is a HEAVY model.
Mark- thanks for all the pics- useful blueprints on 6" and Ford.
Sounds doable…

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Garford Putilov and comparisons

Sergis
Why don't you do preorders? Set a two level price, one if you get enough preorders to justify a production run and one for a more limited hand cast run. If you get enough preorders to justify production great, but either way you'll have a good idea of the market and possibly know if the mould will pay for itself before you make it.

You could run the perorders though the web site.

Just a thought
Terry

Yep- have to talk to my business partner- he is in charge of that- I just sculpt…

Garford is now available in LIMITED numbers for sale. Contact me at smsharenko@fctvplus.net

My check is on its way and I look forward to having some of these beasts soon!

My five beasts arrived today and they are very nice. Each is two pieces, body and a turret, so assembly is simple enough even for me.

Get these while supplies last!

Many thanks and tell your business partners to make the production molds, these are real winners!

Terry

Thanks for the kind words, Terry! I do have them molded, so potentially CAN recast more- however unlikely. I will see how they go- and have to release some other stuff- maybe cut a separate mold…

I was surprised how well the cast on wheels worked. They are a bit littler than PP, but that just makes them easier to base.

A must for any 15mm RCW fan.

I have to say that I absolutely detest models with zillion minuscule parts that some hapless gamer has to assemble. If I can get away with lesser parts to the model – I certainly will. Just as I do not comprehend heavy models that are not hollowed out from underneath- unnecessary weight COSTS MONEY and contributes to porosity of the casting. So I hollow out every bit I can. If someone is disturbed by the hollowed out underneath of the model- please feel free to fill it with whatever you deem appropriate ;-)