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95thRegt13 Feb 2010 10:54 a.m. PST

I've also seen one from a member of the recreated Erbprinz regiment that their historical counterparts wore theirs at Yorktown (sadly I've lost it, but it was correcting a comment from me that they all wore overalls which is why I remembered it).
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I've seen,in more than one place,that they wore trousers in the South. Which would MAKE SENSE given the weather and terrain.As a living historian/reenactor, I've learned in my over 20 years in the hobby,some of my counterparts tend to ignore or overlook historical record in matters of uniform and dress. Even after current research has shown otherwise!


Bob C.

von Winterfeldt14 Feb 2010 10:57 a.m. PST

It doesn't matter what makes sense – keeping a queue?

Von Bose was the exceptions and the Braunschweiger are not Hessen Kassel – German units fighting in Northern Amerika were not only Hessians.

As for references for example :

Böhm, Peter – Uwe : Hessisches Militär Die Truppen der Landgraftschaft Hessen Kassel 1672 – 1806, Beckum 1986.

As a re – enactor you can do what you please, like not wearing a neck stock or run around in shirt sleeves, in the 18th century you would do what your colonel ordered, if it made sense or not.

Ask Robert Sulentic and the boys of von Donop re – enactment regiment know what they are doing

95thRegt14 Feb 2010 11:07 a.m. PST

Von Bose was the exceptions and the Braunschweiger are not Hessen Kassel – German units fighting in Northern Amerika were not only Hessians.
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Yes,I fully understand that.
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As a re – enactor you can do what you please, like not wearing a neck stock or run around in shirt sleeves, in the 18th century you would do what your colonel ordered, if it made sense or not.
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And SOME do! I do what is historically correct given the documentation. I do the same with my miniatures. Some have called me a stitch Nazi/button counter,but I like to do the most correct and historically accurate thing.

If you can prove such and such unit wore a certain thing,fine, but even when contrary information is found a lot of reenactors/wargamers tend to ignore it just because a certain thing may have "looked cool" or whatnot.

Sure,probably MOST Hessian regiments and other Germans wore the gaiters when they first arrived. Also a lot PROBABLY went to the overalls when on active campaigning,out of sheer practicality. Those units that were on garrison in NYC,Philly or other places probably kept the gaiters.

Like I said,I know of quite a few reenactment units who wear said high gaiters or other items of clothing who wear it, "just because" ,and they even know it is incorrect,but still wear them.

Bob C.

95thRegt14 Feb 2010 11:12 a.m. PST

All that being said,none of my Hessians,Brunswickers or Anspachers are wearing gaiters.
My documentaion is: The Company of Military Historians and Don Troiani.

Bob C.

Tom Collins14 Feb 2010 12:19 p.m. PST

The Company of Military Historians plates of Hesse Kassel units show them wearing gaters and Don Troiani shows only the von Bose Musketeer Regt. & Jager from the southern campaign not in gaters.

von Winterfeldt14 Feb 2010 2:40 p.m. PST

95th Regt.

In case you are a bit interested in Hessen Kassel uniforms during the AWI you must consult German sources – start with the mentioned above.

You seemingly don't understand the difference of Brunswick and Hessen Kassel Troops.

Whereas overalls are documented for Braunschweiger, none apart from von Bose are documented for Hessen Kassel.

95thRegt14 Feb 2010 6:24 p.m. PST

The Company of Military Historians plates of Hesse Kassel units show them wearing gaters and Don Troiani shows only the von Bose Musketeer Regt. & Jager from the southern campaign not in gaters.
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I'm talking about the Anspach-Beyreuth contingent. I have the plate in front of me.
For MY purposes, none of my figures had gaiters.

And YES I do FULLY understand the differences between Brunswick and Hesse Kassel. I've only been in the reenacting hobby 20 years,and wargaming MUCH longer.
I've met Rob Sulentic, I've seen the websites. I know ,I know I know!
Yikes!

Bob C.

Bob

von Winterfeldt15 Feb 2010 6:45 a.m. PST

Again Ansbach Bayreuth is not Hessen Kassel

95thRegt15 Feb 2010 1:31 p.m. PST

Again Ansbach Bayreuth is not Hessen Kassel
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OK,now you're making me crazy!

I know the differences!!
I know the different German states who sent troops:

Anhalt-Zerbst
Anspach-Beyreuth
Brunswick
Waldeck

Oh yeah and HESSE-KASSEL!

Yes,they were all different,wore somewhat different uniforms! Had different regimental colors, etc.
I get it!

The ONLY Hessian units I have are Von Bose and jagers.the only other contingent I have are Anspach-Beyreuth. I care not what the other Hessian units wore! It does not affect me.All the units I am using wore the afforementioned overalls!
I am not saying you are wrong about OTHER HK regiments.

I hope this clears things up!

Whats next on the agenda, Highlanders in kilts or not! UGHHH!!!

Bob

Supercilius Maximus15 Feb 2010 4:01 p.m. PST

Bob,

You forgot Hesse Hanau….. ;^))

(ducks and covers)

95thRegt15 Feb 2010 4:02 p.m. PST

You forgot Hesse Hanau….. ;^))

(ducks and covers)
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Funny guy! LOL!

Bob

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