"Who's buying I-Kore?" Topic

I have to disagree with loobylooagain. You are right of course in theory but in practice the amount owed to the two people holding the moulds is reported to be almost as much as the amount you quoted for the IP rights. And I would expect that there is no way they will give them up without at least a considerable settling of their debts. Would anyone want to take on that responsibility?

In addition, the whole process comes under Scottish law which includes the right of a substantial creditor to veto who takes control of the company. This is NOT the same as English law and allows considerably more rights to anyone owed money. The meeting on wednesday could turn out to be very interesting.

Tricks

oooops, forgot about the differences in english and scottish law.............not that i know anything about scottish law anyway.

however what u say tricks does make it sound as if it is a c**p investment opportunity, although i still think the johns are going to pull it out of the bag

i do know that for a fact that there is about £20K owed between the three sources of moulds, but if the johns do get it back surely the companies with the moulds ( having been screwed over once already) are not going to be happy to deal with them.

I suspect that when you are a cottage industry and are owed that kind of money you make your deals with whatever devils are necessary. If they can get back their losses then I would think the poeple holding the moulds would be only too glad to see the back of them.

But then, whatever the real cause of the i-Kore problems (and I don't know what the truth is) the question is, as you say, who else would trust them to do business?

Tricks

I'd like to know where loobyloo is getting his info. What he says is close to the truth, but not quite the whole story.

no, nothing shady about it apart from the time it took for them from realising the debt to declaring insolvency.

surely a company who takes money from buyers knowing that they are not going to be able to supply what has been purchased is fraud.

my niggle is that if they knew in august there were problems but were still taking money for figs in december......see my point??

in my opinion the xyston split was a little too convenient

or is that just the irish in me??

i think the business could be viable if trust in the range was re-instated. the problem is some of i-kores trading practises were a little bit 'non customer friendly'.

if a new backer/buyer could reassure the retailers of distribution efficiency and general good business practise then buying the IP of i-kore could have the potential to be a 'good little earner'

actually, thinking about the above comment.............does anybody have the phone number for trading standards in edinburgh??

Loobylooagain

How come you know so much? Do you have a spy network?

ah-ha.............maybe!

or just maybe i pay attention to things around me and add 2 and 2 to make the bigger picture

or maybe like lots of others recently i have been badly burnt by the two johns escapades and their ostrich impressions.

maybe i feel sorry for felix being made the scapegoat

maybe i am just cynical

as for where i actually get my information........you will have to shoot me before i tell (mind you if you shoot me then i cant tell..........so change that!)

lets face it, if i tell you who i am then the insider information will stop and then there will you be?

[lets face it, if i tell you who i am then the insider information will stop and then there will you be?]

Ah, but remember, *I* know who you are...

Several people have discussed the possibility of
GW buying i-kore to bury it. While it may make a certain amount of business sense, it won't happen.

The answer has nothing to do with whether GW is run by gamers, either.

GW won't do it simply because it would be admitting that the "GW Hobby" has competitors, which is anathema to the corporation.

GW's share price would take a serious hit if the "dominant" industry felt it had to sink money into killing off wounded competitors.

It's that simple.

Whether i-kore comes back is an open question. I hope it does as I liked the game. I don't really care who runs the show, either. I just want me game back.

If I could come up with the money, I would buy the molds (and IP rights) immediately. I always thought that the earlier Void range and all of the Celtos Range were spectacular. I'd start selling them without a rules set as generic models for any game system.

Of course, if I had the money, I'd do the same with the Warzone line of minis.

[In addition, the whole process comes under Scottish law which includes the right of a substantial creditor to veto who takes control of the company.]

Tricks - could I ask what the authority is for that (I haven't come across that power of veto before)? Does the power of veto come with membership of the Liquidation Committee? It seem odd that the liquidator, who's duty is primarily to the general body of unsecureds, could have his realisations (presumably in the unsecureds' best interests) vetoed by just one creditor. However, I know they have some strange laws up there in Scotland. I agree that a liquidation means a sale of the business as a whole is less likely than in a receivership, although it looks as if the IP is where the value is - moulds and masters can always be remade.

[if i tell you who i am then the insider information will stop]

yes loobyloo, but without telling us who you are you are saying things from a position of anonymity which, i am afraid, blow your objectivity out of the water

regardless of how correct you may or may not be (this is not what i dispute) you must understand why anything on such a contencious topic must be treated with some scrutiny and why, when those comments have come from someone anonymous who has admitted having being stung by those he/she acuses, very large handfuls of salt are required

given the choice i'd rather do without unsubstantialted "insider info" and wait to find out what really happened when/if it comes out in the wash

and before anyone makes an issue of me employing a psuedonymn myself, well i'm not the one claiming the inside track :-)

GiloUK

This information comes directly from the creditors in the case who have been informed of this power by the solicitors dealing with the case. Neither he nor I were aware of this power until he was informed. Nor am I aware of how far it goes. Can someone veto just for the hell of it or do they have to give valid reasons and how long can the whole veto situation continue?

I suppose these are questions that will be answered sometime after tomorrow.

As an aside I would personally have thought that the loss of the moulds and the masters was a fairly major obstacle. The process of remaking the master moulds and new masters from existing stock is not as easy or satisfactory as people seem to think. Anyone taking on a new company really would want to try and ensure they had control of the masters at least and preferebly the moulds.

Tricks

(who is not hiding behind a pseudonym but would appreciate someone telling him how that word is correctly spelt. :-))

my spelling is atrocious but luckily i don't care

and would anyone do business with the guys from i-kore? providing the investment and/or employment contracts were sufficiently tight then yes

@ snowballs chance.

where in my posting have i said that i am always objective.?? why do i need to be objective all of the time....is it a crime to have an opinion upon a current topic....especially if i have first hand experience on how the dealings at i-kore have affected another perons livliehood?? (excuse the spelling)

it is hard to be objective when you watch a company being stripped of its assets and the public lied to, surely i am not the one here who has committed an offence.

ok, so i broke the news about the insolvency....only 2 hours before the editor on TMP did. What is wrong with informing others of current events??

If you would like to tell me which part of the posting is unsubstantiated then please do and we can discuss each aspect individually here within this posting. I do not have a problem with being challenged.

As i said before each person is entitled to their own opinions and two persons perceptions of the same situations will always be different.

I have not denied the topic is contentious but a lot of people have a lot of issues to get out from 'under their skin' about this subject and here at least is a forum that wont lock a topic if they dont like listening to what their members have to say.

how boring life would be if we all thought the same.

when i worked at the target factory (long time ago) i had opinions on what was going on and i never commented on them ( although i wish i had) now i have a chance to. can you please tell me what is wrong with that??

i have never claimed 'the inside track'and my reasons for remaining anonymous are not 'a whim' but a way of protecting my family and my current income......are you going to lynch me for that as well?

@ loobyloo

thank you for completely missing the point.

for the sake of this argument i couldn't actually give a toss whether you are right or wrong i just think it's a bit of a nerve turning up throwing accusations around purely on the bais that "you know" but without letting anyone know who the "you" is. i am not arguing what you say, i don't know any better, just that you shouldn't be doing it this way. if you have a point to make it is a shame to invalidate that point by retaining anonimity.

what you are doing, although it may be correct, _appears_ to be sour grapes sniping. i'm not saying it is, but that's how it looks

[If you would like to tell me which part of the posting is unsubstantiated]

well, since you are obviously a victim and have an axe to grind i would likely say everything that is not later backed up by someone in a recognised position of authority on the matter

[i have never claimed 'the inside track'and my reasons for remaining anonymous are not 'a whim' but a way of protecting my family and my current income......are you going to lynch me for that as well?]

yes you did. you stated that you are giving insider information, or rather eluded to that by saying that if you revealed who you were then the insider information would cease. and lynch you? read my replies before you start feeling sorry for yourself. your opinion might be correct, but how do we know? if you are unwilling or unable to back up what you say then that is ok with me. i just wished you hadn't bothered in the first place.

and of course i wish you and your family well

LobbyLooagain has been closer to the truth than many of the i-Kore insiders that were running around Miniforums, doing a great imitation of the Kevin Bacon Character from Animal House "All Is Well, All Is Well".

This i-Kore Affair started as a one-sided story off a press release issued by John Robertson, which Tared and Feathered 1 guy with all the blame. It sounded hokey the first time I read it, and unlike fine wine - It isn't getting any better with age.

As for people doing business with a re-invented i-Kore... Lets see, many Game Stores and Distributors shied away from the 2 Johns after the Target episode - and supposedly i-Kore had tight investment and employee contracts then. I don't see a lot of Game Stores or Distributors willing to to take a chance on them yet AGAIN, no matter what kind of song and dance routine they perform.

Cheers
Darrel

if you are going to quote me then perhaps you should read the post properly also.

in reply to a statement by underdog who asked how come i knew this information i joked that maybe i had a spy network and also 'maybe' i had been burnt. didnt realsie in the thesaurus that 'maybe' was another word for 'definite'.......can you check it in your dictionary or thesaurus please as i obviously have a different edition to you. i was making a jovial point (to underdog)and not stating fact or gloating because 'i know something you dont know....la la la laaaa la'.

i actually said that if my identity came out then the information would stop. i am close to someone within the johns network and it isnt my place to put them in jeopardy but that doesnt mean that what i know does not give me an opinion.

dr zinestro on another posting decided that he had an axe to grind with regard to what i knew as well and ended up realising (in hindsight) that i had only stated facts. In hindsight you may do also, or you may not.

not liking a post is no reason to take a personal attack on someone who has valid reasons for not letting their identity be known. i have shared my reasons and have asked you all to respect them. i cannot make you see why i have to remain anonymous.

isnt this post actually about i-kore and not my anonymity??

your personal opinion on whether my reason is valid,or telling me that my information and opinion is not valid because i am anonymous is not my concern and if i might say a very narrow minded response to an open forum

time will tell.....and that isnt me gloating because i have information before you start your next tirade. only time can back up what has been said. it has supported me before and i have no doubt it will do again.

thank you darrel for your support

aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. i get it now. you are trying to draw attention away from what has happened by making it personal against me.

hmmmmmmmmm

me thinks you are probably closer than i am so how about you dispute what i am saying with fact of your own??

[aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. i get it now. you are trying to draw attention away from what has happened by making it personal against me.]

LOL - grow up. like you're really that important? nice ego

[isnt this post actually about i-kore and not my anonymity??]

yes! we have a breakthrough!

[your personal opinion on whether my reason is valid,or telling me that my information and opinion is not valid because i am anonymous is not my concern and if i might say a very narrow minded response to an open forum]

i was saying that you might be right, i was saying that you know better than me and i was saying that you might have a real point. it just doesn't sit comfortably with me when the chief witness is wearing a mask

if you can believe it i actually don't care who you are, just that you are someone

and you really think anything i have said is a tirade? really really?

@loobylooagain. I think the point SbC is making is that other people will have reason to doubt you because you can't put your neck on the line to say who you are. I don't doubt your reasons for this, but you must admit that it might make people suspicious. I can't see a personal attack in what SbC says. He makes a valid point, but steers well clear of calling you a liar.

Isn't this kind of a rehash of what everyone said at the beginning? Looby came along and said summary 'Something's gone wrong at I-Kore...'
Followed by an outcry of 'U R teh wrong!! U kno nothink! Who R U 2 kno I-kore?'
Followed by 'Oh verily Looby was right! Who is he to know such things?'
Has he spread misinformation or been wrong? No, fairly spot on it seems. If he was just being a baseless I-Kore ranter and agitator it might be different. Looby seems to have a pretty solid base with his info and isn't really interested in rabblerousing so much as giving a truthful slant to events. If he wishes to remain anonymous that's his business. It doesn't make the info any less valid.

funny how sbc pulls apart everything i have so far said with a fine tooth comb but neglected to comment on how close he is to what is actually going on.

regarding your sarcastic comment about my ego....i didnt say i was that important just your comments dont seem to be aimed at the discussion topic, merely at the fact that i am anonymous. If i am not that important to you then why do you choose to comment on my postings but no other members? Perhaps you know who i am and have a personal gripe??

@sbc : if you choose to see my anonymity as an issue then that isnt my problem. i dont keep drawing the topic back to it. in fact before you joined the post we actually had a good and jovial discussion going.

If you are someone close to what is going on then you would try to dishonour my comments. perhaps , as a new member, you should read other postings by other members on a number of i-kore related topics over the last few months who mostly cover everything i have written. what i have said isnt new information just more corroborated than some

btw , nobody asked you to comment on 'unsubstantiated insider info'.you chose to

@ Hasslefree guy. i dont think that i should have to put my neck on the line to be entitled to my opinion. Many witnesses are protected in courts of law. I havent asked anyone to believe me all i have done is say what i know. i am not likening myself to an important witness i just dont see my identity as a big an issue as some

sbc says that until facts that have been written are backed by someone in authority then he will disregard all that i say as 'unsubstantiated' however as we have seen on previous postings, john R is very good at pulling the proverbial wool over willing eyes. so i am not sure how the information can be substantiated so all i can say to everyone is go with your instinct.

and ( in a jovial tone mr hasslefree)if you cant see this member making a personal attack then maybe you ought to put down the greenstuff for a while and see the bigger picture!......lol

My personal opinion is that SBC is someone that has been left out of a loop and is a bit pi**ed off about it.

he may steer well clear of actually calling me a liar but he isnt happy with what is written

thankyou TwoGunBob

@Loobylooagain:

I'm all for protecting an identity if it will severely affect my income, and therefore, my family. As an IT worker, I'm privy to lots of things the company I am working for is doing with their programming, and I am held to a very rigid contract that spells out exactly what will happen should I violate the trust I have been given in working with these programs. If I were to release any information or go to another company and use the programming I developed while working for my current company, I will be held accountable to the tune of $1,000,000.00 dollars.

I appreciate someone with some sort of information sharing with us one way or the other. Your identity shouldn't be called into question, and we can see that I-kore is going down the "Johns" road now. That is really unfortunate and now I'm scrambling to get the models from the two ranges that I wanted for my projects.

@loobyloo - for the record:

1) if i knew who you were i wouldn't have asked, i am not that stupid.

2) i don't hold personal gripes, especially about people i don't know.

3) i have never tried to argue your statement's truth. i have said countless times it is not what you have written, just the manner in which you have chosen to do so

4) i have not contended that you are close to the source as there is evidence of truth in things that you have said that no one else (indluding former employees of the company) have known about

5) and i haven't attacked you once, except for a sarcastic comment about your ego and frankly that was mild.

ok, so you won't say? fine. really fine. i am sure that my long term quality of life will not be effected in the slightest. but for the very last time i will try to get this through your head: if you have something that you feel is important to say it would carry a little more weight if we knew who it came from. if you can't see that for yourself then that's also fine. i'll stop trying

and if you think this is an attack as well then so be it

@two gun bob - no it is not that rehash at all. you are not reading what i said either. i have not once called into question the truth of loobyloo's words. indeed i do not know the truth and seek as much as anyone to find it. what i questioned was a contentious posters anonymity. but now i don't care. that is all. end of story