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Private Matter27 Jan 2010 10:02 a.m. PST

What else can you use the Victrix 1804 to 1807 french infantry for with minimal modifications? I'm specially interested in the Peninsular Campaign.

Clay the Elitist27 Jan 2010 10:05 a.m. PST

Spanish

Personal logo David Manley Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2010 11:54 a.m. PST

Excellent. Now, to see if the Wargames Illustrated subscription page has been updated to include the Victrix 1807 figures amongst the offers for subscribers :)

Clay the Elitist27 Jan 2010 12:54 p.m. PST

Here's a link to some of them painted up as Spanish.

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Private Matter27 Jan 2010 1:32 p.m. PST

Clay – In your blog you mention there are some uniform differences. Can you or any one else for that matter, give me an idea of what the differences are?

Very nice paint job on those figures by the way.

Supercilius Maximus27 Jan 2010 1:47 p.m. PST

Most obvious are the habite and waistcoat for the French, against the "closed" lapels of the Spanish; and the single cartridge belt with attached bayonet frog for the French fusiliers. The hat is a true bicorne for the Spanish, rather than the chapeau for the French.

That said, Clay's paint job hides them brilliantly. Excellent.

Private Matter27 Jan 2010 2:17 p.m. PST

The book Uniforms of the Peninsular Wars 1807-1814 (Haythornwaite/Chappell) show the Spanish infantry in primarily shakos with only the Regiment de Aragon in bicorns and 2nd Catalnian Light Infantry in those floppy tassled thingy hats (Not the correct name for them, I know). Can any one give me some names of units that I could try painting the victrix 1804-1807 French as? Please keep in mind that my painting skills are not at the same level of excellence as Clay's are.

Clay the Elitist27 Jan 2010 2:22 p.m. PST

Sorry, but that's not my blog.

I wish I could paint like that!

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2010 4:10 p.m. PST

Supremely well painted but not Spanish…

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2010 4:12 p.m. PST

link as Hanoverian Legion is a better bet though the bearskins are a bit of a stretch..

Runicus Fasticus27 Jan 2010 7:04 p.m. PST

if you have to make them spainish,,,then you could do the 3 irish regiments that fought for and a lot better tne most of the spainish……..their coats were light blue with differant faceing colors,,,one was black with red trim…one yellow with white trim…and I forget the third ones faceing colors,,,,,,,,,I do not have my uniform books at hand…just going by age clouded memory.

the three regiments were..
and yes I know I will most likely spell a name or two wrong

1) Irelandia
2) Hyburnia
3) Ultona
do not hold this as concrete,,,it's all from memory and as I said,my research books and uniform guides are not handy.The did however use the spainish style grenadier bearskin ,and I do not think the french ones from Vitrex will work to well.

Runicus Fasticus

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP27 Jan 2010 8:58 p.m. PST

R F…different coats for the Spanish

benito28 Jan 2010 3:22 a.m. PST

Hi,

…zombies reenactors !

Have fun,

Benoit

Supercilius Maximus28 Jan 2010 4:02 a.m. PST

1369,

From memory, the figures in shakos are either light infantry or the late war (post-1810?) uniforms, which were made in Britain – hence shako, single-breasted tunic etc. Any of the regular Spanish line infantry regiments of the early war period would be wearing the old uniforms.

grecian1959pt228 Jan 2010 4:14 a.m. PST

I think theyd work really well for Italians also

Chris Rance28 Jan 2010 6:16 a.m. PST

Neapolitans – busy working on some now.

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Duc de Limbourg28 Jan 2010 12:41 p.m. PST

You could make Batavian Republic troops (1795-1805) from them (though they didn't fight in the Peninsular)

Personal logo Cardinal Hawkwood Supporting Member of TMP28 Jan 2010 6:30 p.m. PST

from my checking Italians and Neopolitans are really the only ones you can make accurately..it is the coat waistcoat cuff thing..always these..actually why on earth did victrix do british flank companies , which are sort of irrelevant, you goud get away with a few extra wing arms and not do a french flank company box which is so much more use ..really why didn;t they do that? actually no I cant be bothered , I am frankly quite dissapointed with victrix, all sort of mutants in my mind..

BravoX31 Jan 2010 1:59 p.m. PST

As far as using the set for Spanish, see the uniform pictures below.

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These are from The Armies at Talavera: The Artwork of Dionisio Álvarez Cueto
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Edwulf31 Jan 2010 2:19 p.m. PST

From what I can make out all the Spanish line in 1808 where bicorne, and my Haythornthwaite says that all 35 line regts wore it.

However you might have poblems with the Grenadiers who have quite a unique bearskin, involving a long hanging bag and from what I can see seem to be tufts (easily greenstuffed though imo), also I THINK the jackets are short tailed.

Now, it does also show a Neopolitan soldier in a very similar cut of Jacket in bicorne for 1808, also I think you good paint up some bearskins grenadiers as Italian Dragoons (Elite company- though you might have to convert their fire arm)

BravoX31 Jan 2010 5:27 p.m. PST

I agree that the Grenadiers are a in truth a non-starter as you can never replicate the Spnish bearksin, but besides that the main issue is really only the Spanish lack of crossbelt, that said if you aren't too picky they will do as they paint up very nicely for the wargaming table.

Chouan01 Feb 2010 9:45 a.m. PST

Surely some kind of plastic filler could be used, with thin plastic card or even paper for the emroidered "bag" as the back?

BravoX01 Feb 2010 5:35 p.m. PST

Its not just a bag on the back, the actual rear section of the Bearskin is cut away and the whole appears to be somewhat pointed, a really 'odd' hat…..

Sure anything is 'possible', even start from scratch with greenstuff but is it worth the effort for 'wargaming standard' figures.

Chouan02 Feb 2010 5:53 a.m. PST

The shape is curiously pointed, often made of sealskin rather than bearskin (Spain had a "monopoly" on the importation of sealskin from the west coast of the Americas, places like Nootka), but the cloth rear is a long, pointed bag. Rather like the "point" of a bonnet de police, with its pointed tassel, which hangs rather flat, but is still part of a pointed hat, not just a flat piece of material.
I saw an original in the Army Museum in the Alcazar in Malaga.

Chouan03 Mar 2010 3:36 a.m. PST

What does one actually get in a box?

Sebaar02 Dec 2019 11:15 a.m. PST

What about spanish in older patern uniform M1797, even some units are reported to weart it in 1808 year. It's look most simlar to french.

Art02 Dec 2019 11:44 a.m. PST

G'Day Grimes

You could always make them into:

LES CHASSEURS DE MONTAGNE SUR LA FRONTIERE ESPAGNOLE SOUS L'EMPIRE, 1808-1814

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Best Regards
Art

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