"Looking for unusual scenarios" Topic

Now of course you can also do some of the many ramming attacks that occurred during the war also. US,Poles,Russians,Germans,Japanese,Ect. Robert

Actually Blazing Skies does have Ramming attacks , but only for the Russians!

Oh and thx for the Richailau scenario. I hink thats going in the Scenario lists!

Well here is one for the US :). Robert

"One particularly interesting kill was scored by a Marine Lieutenant R. R. Klingman of VMF-312 Checkerboards, over Okinawa. Klingman was in pursuit of a Kawasaki Ki-45 Toryu ("Nick") twin engine fighter at extremely high altitude when his guns jammed due to the gun lubrication thickening from the extreme cold. He simply flew up and chopped off the Ki-45's tail with the big propeller of the Corsair. Despite missing five inches (127 mm) off the end of his propeller blades, he managed to land safely after this ramming attack. He was awarded the Navy Cross."

link

And for the Japanese,

Warrant Officer Kiyomi Katsuki

"On 4 October 1942, while flying combat air patrol over the fleet in his ‘Pete', he spotted four enemy fighters and five B-17s. In order to prevent the bombers from hitting the seaplane carrier Nisshin, Katsuki dove on the leading B-17 (B-17E of the 72nd BS, flown by Lieutenant David C. Everitt Jr.) and commenced his attack. After completing his pass, he rammed the aircraft from below, tearing the right main wing and the vertical stabiliser off the bomber and damaging his own right wing. Together with his observer he baled out of his stricken aircraft and both were rescued by the destroyer Akisuki. The crew of the B-17 all perished"

link

And some European ones,

"Bulgaria
Several rammings (Bulgarian: Таран taran) were performed by Bulgarian fighter pilots defending Sofia against Allied bombers in 1943 and 1944. The first one to do so was Senior Lieutenant (posthumously elevated to Captain) Dimitar Spisarevsky on December 20, 1943.[6]"

Poland
The first taran attack in World War II was carried out by the Polish pilot, Lt. Col. Leopold Pamuła with his damaged PZL P.11c on September 1, 1939, over Łomianki near Warsaw. (Taran is also a Polish word.)

United Kingdom
On 15 September 1940, Flight Sergeant Ray Holmes of No. 504 Squadron RAF used his Hawker Hurricane to destroy a Dornier Do-17 bomber over London by ramming but at the loss of his own aircraft (and almost his own life) in one of the defining moments of the Battle of Britain. Holmes, making a head-on attack, found his guns inoperative. He flew his plane into the top-side of the German bomber, cutting off the rear tail section with his wing and causing the bomber to dive out of control. The German crew were killed in the crash, while the injured Holmes bailed out of his plane and survived. As the R.A.F. did not practice ramming as an air combat tactic, this was considered an impromptu manoeuvre, and an act of selfless courage.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramming

Greece

Mitralexis is famous in Greece for protecting his country with the nerve of Theseus. Mitralexis flew his P-24 (PZL)to defend northern Greece from aerial attacks in the early stages of World War II. On 2 November 1940, twenty-seven Italian Cant Z.1007 bombers with Fiat CR42 fighter escorts crossed into Greece intending to ravage Thessaloniki. The P-24s of the 32 Mira, Mitralexis' squadron, responded quickly and destroyed three of the bombers. The remaining bombers turned to flee after jettisoning their deadly payloads with no effect.

Mitralexis, who had already shot down one bomber, gave chase. Out of ammunition, he used his plane's propeller as a weapon and severed the tail of a retreating bomber. The Cant Z.1007 went down, and so did Mitralexis. After a dead-stick landing near the crashed Italian plane, the Greek pilot grabbed his sidearm, jumped from his plane, and captured the entire crew of the Italian bomber.

The Italian commander in an interview after the war said that Mitralexis didn't present a pistol but he approached ,said his name and shook hands with the Italians. That's why the Italian commander gave him his id as a gift.

Marinos Mitralexis crushed down in 1948 in the Aegean Sea flying an Oxford.

link

This is the sort of stuff I used to read in Air Action Libary Holiday Special in the 1970's. But for real!

The problem is now I have to collect all these weird planes to recreate it all!

Kingdom of Yugoslavia

On April 6 1941, the first day of Invasion of Yugoslavia Invasion of Yugoslavia

The Invasion of Yugoslavia, or the so-called April War, was the Axis Powers' attack on Yugoslavia on April 6 1941 …
36th group of the 5th fighter regiment of the Yugoslav Royal Air Force

The Yugoslav Royal Air Force or Jugoslovensko Kraljevsko Ratno Vazduhoplovstvo in Serbian & Croatian: Jugoslovensko K…
, equipped with obsolete Hawker Fury

The Hawker Fury was a biplane fighter design used by the RAF in the 1930s….
biplanes scrambled to defend their airfield, Režanovacka Kosa, from a strafing attack by aprox. 30 Bf-109 and Bf-110s. In the ensuing uneven dogfight at least three Yugoslav pilots: Captain Konstantin Jermakov, Captain Vojislav Popovic and Lieutenant Milorad Tanasic rammed a German fighter each with fatal results on both sides. (*)

"While on a mission to intercept a force of US B-24s attacking Rangoon MSgt Anabuki Satoru became separated due to technical problems and arrived over the target area alone. He found 11 B-24s and 2 P-38s. He immediately attacked and shot down 3 B-24s and the 2 P-38s. One of the B-24s he brought down by ramming when he ran out of ammunition."

Robert

"The problem is now I have to collect all these weird planes to recreate it all!"

That's one of the problems we all run into when it comes to some scenarios LOL. Robert

Thats amazing. Saturo apparently was wounded through most of the fight and he landed his Oscar on the last Lib and sat there for a while looking at the crew.
Ineresting to read of his thoughts through it all.

Thanks again!

LOL I forgot the Germans. Robert

"Sonderkommando Elbe was the name of a World War Two Luftwaffe task force assigned to bring down Allied bombers by ramming German aircraft into the bombers. The Elbe is a river that runs through Germany to the North Sea. The term "Sonderkommando" itself in German means "special unit" and was also used to designate work units of Nazi death camp prisoners forced to aid the killing process during The Holocaust, in the case of the Elbe pilots, however, this is not a euphamistic term. While the Luftwaffe had a ready supply of airplanes at this point in the war, well-trained pilots and fuel were two components in short supply. Despite the grim prospects of survival of such a mission, the unit was not a true "suicide unit" in that the pilots were expected to attempt to bail out just before colliding with the Allied aircraft.
The aircraft of choice for this mission was a Bf 109 stripped of armor and armament. To accomplish this mission, pilots would typically aim for one of three sensitive areas on the bombers. The easiest part of an Allied bomber to damage was the empennage, or tail assembly, with its delicate control surfaces on the elevator and rudder. Another potential target were the engine nacelles, which connected to the highly explosive fuel system. The final target was also the most gruesome--the cockpit.
Adding to the last ditch nature of this task force, the only mission was flown on 7 April 1945 by a sortie of 120 Bf 109s. While only 15 Allied bombers were attacked in this manner, eight were successfully destroyed.[1].[2]{A 100th Bomb Group B-17 was attacked by a SonderKommando Elbe Me-109 but only damaged; the German Pilot was not killed."

link

Looks like Me-262 was used to ram a B-17 too. Robert

"Manfred Jurleit writes in his book: "Strahljäger Me262 im Einsatz" ("Jetfighter Me262 in action") as follows:
"On the 4th of April (1945) 47 "Silver" (German codeword for the Me262) were sent to action….
Two days later (6 April '45 !) the Me262 Turbos downed 2 bombers – this time it were 2-engine bombers from the 9th USAAF, which were attacking targets in the North-Germany area.
But the "Geschwader" (JG7) suffered once more a loss.
Major Heinrich Ehrler from the "Geschwaderstab" (wing staff), an experienced fighter pilot with 204 aerial victories, fell on this day in the aerial combat."

In many of these fatal ram attacks, i wonder how many were just accidental collisions!

Some might have been. Though I think most were intentional. Either through desperation or anger. Some spur of the moment. Certainly intentional in the units formed to do so.

"At least two C-47s were rammed by zeros in WW2 and lived to tell the tale. Tough birds. In both cases the fighters went down, and in one case the C-47 got credited with a kill. In almost any case ramming another aircraft is pretty much a last ditch maneuver, and you'll be going down too.

A noteworthy exception are a bunch of air-to-air V-1 (buzz-bomb) kills in Europe. The trick would be to fly alongside the V-1, overlap wingtips, and use your wingtip to tip the V-1, disrupting its autopilot. This did tend to bang up the more fragile wingtips on the fighters, though."

link

Robert

I aslo remember reading some where were a Soviet SB-3 was rammed by a Finnish Fiat G.50 during the Winter War. Robert

Nice report of a German ramming. Robert

Target: Parchim Rammed Over Germany
PDF link

"Ramming was used in the Spanish Civil War. On the night of November 27-28, 1937 Soviet pilot Evgeny Stepanov flying a Polikarpov I-15 shot down one SM.81 bomber near Barcelona and emptied the rest of his bullets into another. The second SM.81 continued to fly, so Stepanov resorted to using the left leg of his Chaika's undercarriage to ram the bomber, downing the plane."

link

It's amazing how tough those little things were.

It might be my memory failing, but diddnt a Chaika once swoop into a German parade where pilot officer Johhny "red" Redburn, a wanted fugitive running from the RAF and fighting with Falcon Squadron of the VVS had been captured and was about to be executed in front of Goring himself?

As I recall, the Chaika flown by man-mountain Sgt Yakob "the Bear" flew low and slow and Redburn ran into the middle of the parade ground and leaped up grabbing the Chaikas wing, hauled himself up into the gunners seat and shot dead the firing squad.

Goring went mad and started stamping on his hat as Redburn flew away to score another 190 odd kills in his Hurricat which was repaired after 30 odd crashes?

I'm sure I read that in a reputable historical magazine as a child.

LOL. On a similar note the Germans modified some of their fighters with extra armor just to be able to survive such types of attacks. Robert

"They used Fw190A-5s and A-6s and added 5 inch armor plating called Panzerplatten to critical areas of their aircraft. The unit also added 30mm glass panels to the side of the canopy and to the quarter-panels of the windscreen.

These new and heavier aircraft resulted in double the fuel consumption rate, and soon fuel drop tanks were added, further weighing down the new converted aircraft."

Read more: link

I wonder if any one has done up the Stats for the 'Sturmbock' for their rules?. Robert

"28 Oct 1943: Lieutenant A. C. Berg and Lieutenant (jg) W. C. Young were on ASW patrol in two squadron Venturas in the vicinity of the Canary Islands when attacked by two Spanish CR-42 fighters from Gando Field. The attackers were repulsed with no injuries to personnel or damage to either VB-127 aircraft. One of the CR-42s was hit and made a forced landing on the beach near Gando Field."

Robert

Is a Sturmbock just a FW with loads of armour? Or is it regunned and with twiddly bits?

"They used Fw190A-5s and A-6s and added 5 inch armor plating called Panzerplatten to critical areas of their aircraft. The unit also added 30mm glass panels to the side of the canopy and to the quarter-panels of the windscreen.

These new and heavier aircraft resulted in double the fuel consumption rate, and soon fuel drop tanks were added, further weighing down the new converted aircraft."

And,

"Sturm units would soon incorporate the new Fw190A8 and A9 versions into their units and along with the earlier modifications of Sturm aircraft, they soon also incorporated Rustsatze (Field Conversion Kits). The most numerous one used by the Sturm units was the R8 kit which equipped the Fw190A8 with armor glass and a Mk108 30mm cannon in the wing. The new 30mm cannons meant that bombers could be brought down with just a few well placed hits. But the it added still more weight, making the nimble Fw190 sluggish."

Read more: link

Thanks for that Kaos!

As for has anyone stats for the Sturmbock, Try these out:

FW 190 Sturmbock
Throttle:5(0-10) 4(11-15) *lower altitude and power than a 190
Speed: 5/8
Maneuver: B *extra weight makes it more sluggish
Weapons:
2X .50 2/20/5
2X30mm 2*/24/4 *Each hit deals 8 damage
Structure: 13 *increased due to armour

Special:TDC, HAP (naturally) -1 to D6 for hits on pilot (due to massive armour protection)

Havn't flown it yet of course , but that seems to be a reasonable balance.

Thanks Tommi. Another to add to the list :). Robert

"While returning to base on 28 December after looking for targets, Lieutenant
Commander Reedy encountered four He-177 aircraft. In the resultant melee,
Reedy's crew managed to damage one of the enemy, sending it back towards France
trailing smoke from a fire in its starboard engine. Postwar examination of
German records indicated that He-177A3 Werk No. 5557 from 11/KG40, flown by
Hauptman B. Eidhoff, was unable to return to base and crashed into the sea.
Eidhoff and his crew of 5 were subsequently reported missing by the Luftwaffe.
On the same mission, Lieutenant Parrish and his crew were killed when their
aircraft crashed into high ground near Okehampton, Devon."
"
This was one of 372 shoot downs credited to USN VP/VPB squadrons. All but six
were one Japanese type or another, the remaining six were German: one Do 217,
four Ju 88, and the aforementioned He 177. Five of the six German aircraft
credited were shot down by gunners aboard PB4Y-1's, one of the Ju 88's by
gunners aboard a PBY."

And yet another He-177 encounter!! This time with a B-17!! Robert

"Duel between a B-17 and He-177:
Feb. 20, 1944, a weather recon B-17 flying out of Scotland encountered an
He-177 that was orbiting over the North Sea transmitting a false homing
radio beam to lure American planes flying the Atlantic off course so that
they would run out of fuel far out at sea. When his radio operator picked
up the signal, the B-17 pilot, Guy Reed, assumed it was being broadcast
from a submarine close by and decided to follow the beam and send a
location report. Visibility was about a quarter mile when the crew
spotted not a sub but a big He-177. Reed decided to try to shoot the
He-177 down and a maneuver fight began. At one point the B-17 actually
collided with the He-177, smacking the belly of the German with its tail
fin. The two bombers traded gunfire for some minutes. At one point Reed
was able to position his plane behind and below the German and his gunners
ripped it with heavy fire. The He pilot threw his plane into a dive. The
B-17 followed, then, at low altitude the He-177 deployed its dive brakes
and dropped its gear, slowing dramatically as it pulled up. The B-17
shot past it and it was the turn of the He-177 gunners to rake the B-17
with fire. The top turret plexigas was shattered. The right waist gunner
was killed. At that point, the two planes, flying at about 3,000 feet
flew alongside each other blazing away like two battleships trading
broadsides. The He-177 pilot decided to break away to the right. As he
did so, the ball turret gunner on the B-17 was able to pour gunfire into
the right engine nacelle (housing two engines), apparently knocking them
out. The He pilot lost control and the plane went into a spin and crashed
into the sea. No one got out. Reed was able to nurse his plane home with
some judicious throttle jockeying---the collision had damaged the rudder
so that the plane wanted to turn to the left and would not flying straight
and level. This story is recounted in "Big Week" by Glen Infield."

Utterly amazing stuff! A dogfight with heavy bombers!

I think that would be a valid scenario. A B7 slightly ahead and level with a He177 could utilise Dorsal, waist and tailguns. Five or six fiftycalibers and only receiving three mixed caliber guns in reply. The Smart money was always on the Fortress!

That's for sure Tommi. It seems that the B-17 could do more then bomb targets LOL. Robert

Or how about this? Robert

"The first aircraft shot down by the RAF in world war II was a Dornier Do 18 flying boat which was destroyed by a Lockheed Hudson bomber over Jutland on October 8 1939."

On another site someone stated that Soviet P-63s were involved in shooting down some USAAF P-51s. Would anyone have any more information or sources on this? Robert

link

Cant see any Kingcobras in this list. It would have been an interesting match-off.

Yes it would be. The P-63 was a vast improvement over the P-39. But the incidents, if they happened, would have occurred in 1945. Robert

I own a Kingcobra and, in leiu of the usual Dakka Dakka noises needed to gain +1 to hit, I(when firing the cannon) replaced it with a DUF DUF DUF DUF noise.

My opponent argued that ,strictly speaking, Duffduffduff is not dakkadakkadakka, thus , my +1 would not have occoured and I would have missed.

A short discussion followed with the conclusions, My Game- My Rules, being the fair result.

LOL. Well so far I can find just the ones I posted earlier in the thread. Robert

As has been posted earlier in the thread too is that there were quite a few "Blue on Blue" incidents and some encounters with "Neutral" nations too. Robert

I fought Spitfire Ib's vs Bf109E last night.

It actually felt good to do something "Normal"!

There was an incredible engagement over the Bay of Biscay between a single Sunderland and EIGHT Ju-88s… The Sunderland won!

Here's that Sunderland v 8x Ju-88s story. Note that there was an earlier engagement off Norway in April 1940, when a single Sunderland Mk 1 beat off 6x Ju-88As:

"The rifle-caliber 7.7 millimeter guns were far from entirely satisfactory since they lacked hitting power, but the Sunderland retained its reputation for being able to take care of itself. This reputation was enhanced by a savage air battle between eight Ju-88C long-range fighters and a single RAAF Sunderland Mark III on 2 June 1943. There were eleven crewmen on board the Sunderland, including nine Australians and two Britons.

The Sunderland was under the command of Australian Flight Lieutenant Colin Walker. The crew was on an antisubmarine patrol and also searching for remains of an airliner that had left Lisbon the day before, to be shot down over the Bay of Biscay with the loss of all crew and passengers, including British film star Leslie Howard, known for his starring role in THE SCARLET PIMPERNEL and supporting work in GONE WITH THE WIND. Incidentally, the aircraft appears to have been deliberately intercepted, not merely unlucky; airliner flights between the UK and Portugal were common during the war and it was the extremely unusual for them to be attacked. It seems that Howard's business manager looked a good deal like British prime minister Winston Churchill and German agents spotted him getting on the plane, and then jumped to the conclusion that Churchill was returning to Britain from a secret meeting.

In any case, in the late afternoon, one of the crew spotted the eight Ju-88s. Bombs and depth charges were dumped while Walker redlined the engines. Two Ju-88s made passes at the flying boat, one from each side, scoring hits while the Sunderland went through wild "corkscrew" evasive maneuvers. The fighters managed to knock out one engine. On the third pass of the fighters, the top-turret gunner managed to shoot one down. Another Ju-88 disabled the tail turret, but the next fighter that made a pass was bracketed by the top and nose turrets and shot down as well. Still another fighter attacked, smashing the Sunderland's radio gear, wounding most of the crew in varying degrees and mortally wounding one of the side gunners. A Ju-88 tried to attack from the rear, but the tail turret gunner had managed to regain some control over the turret and shot down the German fighter.

The surviving fighters pressed home their attacks, despite the losses. The nose gunner chewed up one of the fighters and set one of its engines on fire. Two more of the attackers were thoroughly shot up, and the other two finally decided they'd had enough and departed. The Sunderland was a wreck. The crew threw everything they could overboard and nursed the aircraft back to the Cornish coast, where Walker managed to land and beach it. The crew waded ashore, carrying their dead comrade, while the surf broke up the Sunderland.

Walker received the Distinguished Service Order, and several of the other crew received medals as well. Walker went on to a ground job, while the rest of the crew were given a new Sunderland. That Sunderland and its crew disappeared without a trace over the Bay of Biscay two months later, after reporting by radio that they were under attack by six Ju-88s.

What remains puzzling about this incident is that some sources claim German records show no losses of Ju-88s over the Bay of Biscay that day. It is of course easy to believe that the crew of the Sunderland might have exaggerated the number of enemy fighters shot down, but it is hard to believe that the whole thing was a complete fabrication. The exact details of what happened that day are almost certainly now lost to history. "

I remembered reading about the Sunderland encounters when discussing the Luftwaffe Maritime operations. Robert

Though not WWII There were the 3 encounters between The RAF and IAF in 1948 and 1949. Robert
spyflight.co.uk/iafvraf.htm

Wellington vs Ju88 over Atlantic

Heavy losses sustained by the Polish bomber force in April (1942), together with corresponding lack of reserves – particularly painful was the shortage of navigators – threatened PAF with decision to suspend operations. It was decided in the Bomber Command that one of the Polish bombers squadrons would have to be transferred to Coastal Command, where as a rule, losses were lighter but the crews carried out longer tours of duty without relief. Having suffered especially heavy losses during its 488 operational sorties, and desperately needing to lick its wounds, the 304 Squadron was chosen.

And, it was in february 9, 1943:
S/Ldr Ladro, DFC, was one of the best Polish flying instructor from before the war, and while with 304, already a veteran of the bomber squadrons. In October 1941, returning from a mission, he had to ditch his badly damaged Wellington in the North Sea, and was miraculously rescued with the whole crew.
His return to the base on 9 February 1943 sortie was equally dramatic. He was attacked by four Ju88s and successfully avoided being shot down for almost an hour!
Immediately after spotting approaching Junkers, Ladro dropped the charges and put the Wellington W-304 in a violent corkscrew dive. His rear gunner opened fire and one of the Junkers started to lag behind. The remaining three fiercely attack Polish aircraft, but managed only to make it look like proverbial colander. The Wellington received only one direct hit of the 20 mm cannon shell, which made a gaping hole in a starboard wing. The rear guns sights were destroyed, but the gunner, slightly wounded, kept fending off the attackers with accurate fire. Front gunner and co-pilot were seriously wounded, and drenched with sweat S/Ldr Ladro, tried to outmaneuver every Junkers' pass by instruction given by the navigator. All this was happening at the sea level, with the Wellington continuing to press for homely shores.

During short breaks between attacks, Ladro held the controls with his knees giving his arms a rest. The situation was becoming desperate. Luckily, into the fiftieth minute of the battle, the Germans went out of ammo. They did not give up however, and tried to ram the Wellington or force it to ditch. When this tactic fail, and the Pole hang on to his course, the Germans broke of the engagement. One of the Junkers flew directly in front of the Wellington and wiggled his wings.
Monitoring radio station of the No. 19 Group picked up the battle, and a section of Beaufighters was sent to intercept the Junkers. Ironically, they found the Germans, and pursuers became perused. By the time S/Ldr Ladro waddled to Predannack and lend safely, the Beaufighters reported shooting down all three Ju88s.

How about a night-fighter action, where the aim of the RAF Wellington is to make sure it is attacked by a German aircraft, but has to survive long enough to gather elint on the fighter's radar? True story – something I posted some time ago in another place:

Have often thought that, for collective courage, the RAF/RCAF elint crew from 1474 Flight on 2/3 November 1942 is up there with the very best. Needed data on the new German airborne radars. Problem was that that meant persuading a nightfighter to target you… Having tried this on seventeen previous sorties without success, the crew, in a Wellington, deliberately trailed their coat over Germany for a few hours that night until a German Ju88 obligingly finally came after them. The Special Wireless Operator, P/O Jordan recorded the radar signal and Sgt Bigoray, the "normal" W/Op started a coded analysis back home. However, the fighter had indeed acquired them and attacked between ten and twelve times: the rear gunner, F/Sgt Vachon, mounted a sterling defence until his turret was knocked out by 20mm hits and he was wounded. The nose gunner, Sgt Grant, was also wounded. Bigoray went to help him and was also wounded, in the legs. Jordan was hit first in the arm, then in the eyes, but continued to monitor the transmissions whilst blinded. Bigoray, having done what he could for Grant, crawled back to his wireless and resumed sending Jordan's analysis. Vachon, lying in his wrecked turret, was passing evasion warnings to the pilot, P/O Paulton, who was challenged by the loss of one engine and all throttle control. The Junkers only gave up the game when they had dropped from 14000 feet to 500. After two hours fifty minutes, they had limped back to the English coast and decided that the aircraft was too badly damaged to attempt a crash landing. The radio receiver was damaged and they had no way of knowing whether their signals were being received. They then circled until dawn. Since Bigoray was in no fit state to escape a ditching, and to be sure that the data got ashore, he was pushed out on parachute over Ramsgate with Jordan's records. Paulton then ditched the Wellington off the beach at Deal, whereupon the crew found that the dinghy was riddled with damage. Luckily, however, they had been spotted and a rowing boat came out and picked them all up; no fatalities by a miracle. Jordan got the DSO, Paulton the DFC, Bigoray and Vachon the DFM.

R V Jones, who was one of the prime customers for the signals intelligence secured in this way, described it as the bravest thing he had ever heard of, and claimed that the only reason no VCs were handed out was to protect the success of the mission – by tradition, in the UK only the citations for VCs and GCs are ever routinely published in full.

I remeber reading, many years ago, about a Bv 222 shooting down a Lancaster but apparently it was a US Navy PB4Y Liberator of VB-105 (BU#63917) commanded by Lieutenant Evert, on October 22, 1943.
According to Wikipedia anyway,
link

After the Pearl Harbor attacks two SOC-1 Seagulls from the cruiser USS Northhampton were attacked from above by a Zero from the Hiryu. The Seagulls dropped to wave top level and turned to keep the fighter in their sights. On the 7th pass of the Zero,Radioman First Class Robert Baxter,gunner on the first Seagull,was able to hit the Zero in the engine. The Zero broke off the attack with the engine smoking and flew off. Later crashing on Niihau Island. Robert

And as DBS303 posted in my Maritime thread,

Of course, there are also the clashes between Adrian Warburton (Maryland recce) and various Italian flying boats during the Malta campaign.

link

Heres another for the Italian CANT Z.506. From Wiki so take with a grain of salt.

Some 506s captured by Germans, flown by Italian volunteer crews, operated in 1944 on the Baltic sea, patrolling the area around Peenemunde.

link

"A Catalina of No. 205 Squadron RAF was also involved in a dogfight with a Mitsubishi G3M Nell bomber of Mihoro Air Group near the Anambas Islands on 25 December 1941, in which the Catalina was shot down.[6]"

link

You still around Tommi? LOL. Robert

"Six Ro.43 launched from light cruisers played a role in spotting the British fleet during the battle of Calabria, in the opening rounds of the war.[4] One of them, departing from the cruiser Eugenio di Savoia, kept visual contact with the battleship HMS Warspite during the exchange of fire between the British capital ship and the Italian battleship Giulio Cesare before being chased off by a Sea Gladiator from the carrier HMS Eagle.[5]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAM_Ro.43