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Wyatt the Odd Fezian23 Dec 2009 10:20 a.m. PST

Two videos of a demonstration of the Swedish Bill 2 ATGM against a remote-controlled Centurion tank that has a full load of ammo on board. The missile attacks the thinner armor of the roof.

YouTube link
YouTube link

It was stated on another site that the damage might be mitigated if the tank had the current instantaneous fire-suppression systems on modern AFVs. And, I suspect that the Cent's older style of ammo storage makes it more susceptible to the catastrophic ammo fire.

Wyatt

Cosmic Reset23 Dec 2009 11:01 a.m. PST

I bumped into this earlier, Javelin vs. T-72:

YouTube link

Looked like the T-72 was filled with a nuke.

lkmjbc323 Dec 2009 11:12 a.m. PST

The Javelin test was rigged.

Javelin will kill a T72… no problem. It doesn't look anything like that…

Joe Collins

Dan Cyr23 Dec 2009 12:22 p.m. PST

If the Javelin test was rigged, how and for what purpose?

I agree the damage seems way over the top.

Dan

Black Bull23 Dec 2009 2:27 p.m. PST

Purpose ?? to make the Javelin look better to those paying the money.

David Manley23 Dec 2009 3:01 p.m. PST

Mucking about with "trials" such as this is a common feature of modern defence procurement. Whilst video from real trials does make it into the public domain, what is commonly released is often the flashy promotional demonstration shots (rather than trials) to make the kit look good in sales videos.

Cosmic Reset23 Dec 2009 3:07 p.m. PST

Maybe its a marketing video for the Bongolesian government.


Is the turret in the Centurion video "boiling" as the rounds go off, or is it just an illusion from the flashes?

Black Bull23 Dec 2009 3:41 p.m. PST

The turret in the second link looks odd for a centurion, square at the back did the Swedes modify them or is someone "getting clever"

lkmjbc324 Dec 2009 8:42 a.m. PST

Best guesses from Tank-net.org…. Hull was filled with C4… Hatches welded shut.

It's not a javelin…. it's a destructo ray!

Silly, the javelin is an excellent/effective weapon… but a flash and slow cook off doesn't sell as well…. The T72 crew is just as dead either way.

Joe Collins

Griefbringer24 Dec 2009 1:03 p.m. PST

Hull was filled with C4… Hatches welded shut.

I certainly would not want to try doing any hatch-welding on a tank full of C4 in the hull…

doug redshirt24 Dec 2009 4:48 p.m. PST

I thought the Centurian was designed with most of the ammo moved out of the turret except for the ready rounds. The British did the numbers and 60% of tank hits were on the turret. So the best way to keep tanks from blowing up nicely was to move as much of the ammo out of the turret.

The Centurian had a history of being a good survival tank for the crew. Greengold went through 6 of them on the Golan Heights during the Yom Kippur war.

WarpSpeed25 Dec 2009 12:27 a.m. PST

I bet the 72 was filled with jet fuel and remote detonated
HE.Gee stationary tank sees a missle fire plume ,hmg the fuggers and all out speed ,missle will never contact.Was 4 seconds before impact ,cripes a beat up datsun would get outta the way.wanna kill a tank,use hyper velocity sabot ,fire,done.

Griefbringer26 Dec 2009 3:18 p.m. PST

Gee stationary tank sees a missle fire plume ,hmg the fuggers and all out speed ,missle will never contact.Was 4 seconds before impact ,cripes a beat up datsun would get outta the way.wanna kill a tank,use hyper velocity sabot ,fire,done.

Anybody know a translator software that can interpret this into English?

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