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jgibbons23 Dec 2009 9:31 a.m. PST

Any chance anyone can tell me what the platoon size was for the Royal Engineer AVRE's during and after the DDay invasion?

Somewhere I recall reading 6 tanks but I am by no means certain of that…

James

aecurtis Fezian23 Dec 2009 9:48 a.m. PST

Six per troop, as I recall. After Normandy, an assault squadron (equipped with AVRE) was reduced from four troops to three, but as far as I know, troop strength was unchanged.

However, others will know better than I.

Allen

John Armatys23 Dec 2009 9:50 a.m. PST

Yes, an Armoured Assault Regiment RE NW Europe had an HQ with a scout car and three (or four) squadrons each of an HQ of two Churchill AVRE, a carrier and two scout cars and three (four until July 1944) troops of six Churchill AVRE.

Phil Hendry Fezian23 Dec 2009 10:09 a.m. PST

Yes, 6 tanks in a troop. They tended to work in two groups of three – often with one doing whatever engineering task they were, er, tasked with, whilst the other two provided 'protection' – from lobbing 'flying dustbins' or shooting off loads of Besa rounds at threats through to using their physical bulk as 'mobile shields' to protect 'dismounts' going to do combat engineering jobs from small-arms fire.

A question on the scout cars – Humber or Daimler? I suspect Humber, but haven't managed to confirm via photos.

aecurtis Fezian23 Dec 2009 10:30 a.m. PST

Now I've seen them described as operating in pairs. And I would suspect Daimlers, Humber Scout Cars usually being in a liaison role.

Where's R. Mark Davies? grin

Allen

aecurtis Fezian23 Dec 2009 10:32 a.m. PST

Now here's your Humber, but for a senior commander:

picture

Allen

jgibbons23 Dec 2009 12:09 p.m. PST

Thanks guys – awesome fast answers!

Much appreciated!

And up to company level to boot!

James

jgibbons23 Dec 2009 12:11 p.m. PST

And Merry Christmas!

James

aercdr23 Dec 2009 3:39 p.m. PST

It's one of the many reasons that I love TMP!

Jemima Fawr23 Dec 2009 4:49 p.m. PST

You'd already answered it Allen! ;)

Jemima Fawr23 Dec 2009 4:51 p.m. PST

AS I understand it, the scout cars were purely for liaison purposes, so were probably Humbers (more room for radio kit than a Daimler). They need more liaison cars than a normal armoured regiment due to their often dispersed assignments.

aecurtis Fezian23 Dec 2009 5:05 p.m. PST

OK, Humbers. That makes sense, explained that way. Sorry Phil, and thanks, R. Mark!

Allen

Cardinal Hawkwood23 Dec 2009 11:38 p.m. PST

stop calling them companies!!!!! they are troops and squadrons..harumph

Phil Hendry Fezian24 Dec 2009 11:26 a.m. PST

Now here's your Humber, but for a senior commander:

picture

Allen

Thanks Allen – I already have a print of that picture – in fact some years ago I made a 1:35 scale model of that particular Humber.

And thanks Mark, for confirming my suspicions regarding the cars at lower level.

Phil

aecurtis Fezian24 Dec 2009 7:46 p.m. PST

I should have checked Peter Brown's compilation of armoured car holdings first:

link

That makes it pretty clear.

Allen

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