"Other cavalry compatible with Warlord ECW?" Topic

I realise this topic has come up several times concerning the warlord plastic infantry but I haven't been able to find any mention of what ranges are compatible with their new cavalry.

I'd like to give my new warlord plastics some officers and personalities – ideally Bicorne ones – but I'm concerned about scale. Differences in horse sizes tend to be a lot more noticeable (to me at least) than slight differences in the size of men on foot.

The Perry stuff fits in with the Warlord stuff pretty well. Right next to me now I put a warlord rider on an old Foundry WSS horse. He didn't fit because he wasn't designed to but he looks more or less in scale, maybe slightly large if anything.

Sorry, but you have to decide between Bicorne-Renegade-Redoubt on the one hand and Warlord-Foundry-Perry on the other. All nice but 2 different scales. If you check out the new Renegade cavalry with the three bar helmet you may decide on the former. For someone starting out, I'd have no hesitation recommending Warlord. I collect Bicorne and Renegade myself, mostly because of the wonderful selection of figures. The leaders alone in Bicorne would argue for that range and scale. However I think they are really 30mm's.

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Hi really tempted to get into the ECW period. But would love to know if there are any side by side comparison photos of the above ranges on the net. I really like the varity of the Bicorne-Renegade-Redoubt range. The Warlord and Perry stuff is also intresting but must say at this time the Bicorn etc ranges seem to have more varity.

Any photos would be great.
Thanks
William

I've got a collection of several comparison shots at link

I've got Renegade/Bicorne/Redoubt in metals, and Warlord plastics are close enough in appearance for me to put them all on the same table.

very good comparison Katie.

I think that if you do not mix them in the same units Warlord+renegade\bicorne are looking very very fine on the table.

Arrigo

The warlords I just got are much closer in size to the Perry's.

That said I have Renegade units, along with Perry and now the warlords, since the local store can order them.

they are different in size to be sure with the Renegades being bigger, but I do not have a problem with playing them in the same army in seperate units.

no one can MAKE you decide one group or the other. Silly really.

I have mixed Perry and Warlord and some Essex and all seems well. What I have done with the foote, (I know this topic was about cavalry – Sorry ), is remove the plastic base from the bottom of the Warlord which takes the height down just a little so that they look more comfortable next to the Perry shotte, which I do find are even smaller than the rest of the Perry ECW range.

From Katie's comparison it looks as though the TAG stuff would fit well with the Perry / Warlord mix and I am planning to get some of their TYW to see if they fit in.

Leading on from that does anyone know which pack / range the TAG figure on the left of the very last picture on Katie's comparison link is? Excellent painting in that picture BTW – especially the Warlord plastic firelock man!

Actually I have found the Figure that I was asking about now. It is from the (Father) Tilly pack.

To go right back to the original question for this topic, i.e. personalities to go with the Warlord plastic cavalry, after looking at the TAG ranges, the TAG TYW personalities would seem to fit the bill. Especially the German and Swedish ones. I would mount them on the horses from the Warlord set though so that the horses themselves fit perfectly.

Does anyone know who actually sculpted the originals for the Warlord plastics? I assume it must be a 'name'.

Looking at the piccies in Katie's link, the figures actually don't vary in size any more than real people do!

"the figures actually don't vary in size any more than real people do"

The men I know[1] range from about 5'6" through to a couple who are arounf 6'4" or 6'5". That's a range of about a foot, or +/-3mm in scale.

[1] Who, to be fair, are largely IT people and therefore not chosen by size criteria in the way that soldiers might be.

Soldiers at that time wouldn't have been subject to any sort of stringent recruiting process. Especially as wars run their course, anyone who appears to be in no imminent danger of dying and has most of their limbs is "good enough". If you want to model trooping the colour, I'd worry, otherwise accpet they resemble the mix of humanity.

FWIW, the blokes I work with vary between 5'5" and 6'6", and all points between. These are scientists…

I'v got a base in my army that is mainly Perry sized stuff but doea include a Bicorne fig and -wait for it- a Minifig!!!!
They look fine.

I've got primarily Redoubt and Warlord models in my collection, for foot, horse and artillery, and have no complaints.

Leigh

you have to decide between Bicorne-Renegade-Redoubt on the one hand and Warlord-Foundry-Perry on the other. All nice but 2 different scales

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A certain Catholic priest in a British TV comedy show probably expresses my view on the above! The whole figure size comparsion thing – which I have indulged in too – is actually a complete red herring – aside from the fact that one is looking at figures on a wargames table (not a painting table) with perspective and distance built in (the don't mix figures of greatly disparate size in the same unit is now about as far as I'd go) the other factor is that even if your army is consistantly sized, you can't enforce that on your opponent – and its in melee etc that the different versions of what constitutes 28mm is most clealy shown up (to me anyway) – so when your Renegade horse clash with your opponent's Foundry or Perrys horse whats to be done – run screaming from the table crying "proportions, proportions". Most of us are happy to get a game without resorting to "ECW gamer seeks games against another – must have Perrys/WL/Foundry only army (or Redoubt/Bicorne/Renegade)

"A certain Catholic priest in a British TV comedy show probably expresses my view on the above! "

So, "That would be an ecumenical matter", I suppose?

Sorry!

Well, I decided to start answering my original question with some empirical evidence. Looking at the date of my original post I'm also a bit embarassed that a year later I still haven't finished painting my cavalry. Ahem.

Anyway, I now own a few Foundry ECW cavalry. The riders are a good fit on the warlord horses, and while the riders are a shade smaller they look perfectly fine.

The Foundry horses however are significantly smaller – enough that they just look silly. The combined effect of a Foundry rider on a foundry horse is of a small man riding a pony.

I shall be using the Foundry riders on Warlord horses quite happily though.

Shortly after posting the above my Bicorne cavalry arrived. The riders are absolutely lovely.

The difference in size between the Bicorne riders and Warlord riders is far less than I'd been led to expect by the "Perry/Foundry/Warlord" vs "Bicorne/Redoubt/Renegade" brigade.

In fact, I think that the Bicorne riders, when mounted on a warlord horse, wouldn't stand out at all unless it was pointed out to you.

The Bicorne horses are a little bigger than the Warlord ones. Unfortunately they are stylistically very different. Whereas the Warlord horses have large, though fairly realistic heads, short necks, and quite chubby bodies, the Bicorne horses have long thin heads, unrealistic faces, slimmer bodies and large behinds.

If you were to mix the horses in with the Warlord ones, the sizes wouldn't be too bad but they would look like they were from completely different genetic stock.

I had hoped to mount some Warlord riders on Bicorne horses, and Bicorne riders on Warlord horses to smooth out any height differences. Unfortunately while the Bicorne riders fit the Warlord horses (albeit a little loosely) the Warlord riders won't sit on the Bicorne ones.

So to recap:

Foundry rider on Warlord horse – fits and looks fine
Bicorne rider on Warlord horse – fits and looks fine
Bicorne rider on Bicorne horse – starts to look a little bigger
Warlord rider on Bicorne horse – doesn't fit
Warlord rider on Foundry horse – fits but looks like a man on a fairly small horse
Foundry rider on Foundry horse – looks too small next to the Warlord
Foundry rider on Bicorne horse – fits but looks silly
Bicorne rider on Foundry horse – call PETA to report animal cruelty

What I shall be doing:

Possibly putting my Warlord dragoons on Foundry horses (I imagine the dragoons to have had runtier horses) to free up spare Warlord horses.

Happily mixing Bicorne, and Warlord riders on a mix of Warlord and Bicorne horses (the less Bicorne horses the better as I personally dislike them)

Mixing some Foundry riders on Warlord horses, though on different bases to the Bicorne figures.

Shortly after posting the above my Bicorne cavalry arrived. The riders are absolutely lovely.

The difference in size between the Bicorne riders and Warlord riders is far less than I'd been led to expect by the "Perry/Foundry/Warlord" vs "Bicorne/Redoubt/Renegade" brigade.

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that was one of my points – Bicorne stuff (I have their Scots cavalry and various others) are great and with a lot of varieties of pose.
I wouldn't quite agree with "Foundry rider on Bicorne horse – fits but looks silly" as (not liking the Foundry horses much) I was trying them on Bicornes and though the riders look shorter in the leg, on the other hand small men rode horses too. The thing about the Foundry figures is that as they are quite chunky they feel more substantial than say Perrys which though beautifully done just to me feel too small. The Foundry horses are not very nice (might serve as Dragoon horses or for Scots horse I suppose – the only critique I might have on Bicorne is that their Scots horse look too well mounted) and the WL riders are something I just don't like at all – too Hollywoodish and the hair is frankly ridiculous