"Large Bulk Freighter" Topic

Nothing spectacular, but good shots for people thinking about purchasing from Navwar.

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Easy to convert into a large container vessel? How? The hull form is entirely different!

Okay…."Easy for ME to change it into a container vessel". Better?

Very nice Gunbird.
Please disregard Chouan, he seems to be determined to be a consistent squelch.

If you're content with a box-boat that looks like a bulk carrier with containers on it's deck then it'll be fine.

Dear Mal, you really seem to be irritated by me. What have I done to deserve such disdain?
In this instance Gunbird was seeking comment. I commented. Why the gratuitous disparagement?

What have I done to deserve such disdain?

Probably because I have waited patiently for some time to see if you ever have anything positive to say and have as yet failed to see that. I like Gunbird's model. I like his enthusiasm to convert other models. Why not make constructive suggestions on how he could achieve his objective instead of chopping of his enthusiasm with a blunt statement that the hull form is wrong?

When people ask about paint schemes and so forth I always try to encourage them by providing any assistance I can. And why not? We're all wargamers in the same hobby.

On the other hand you always seem to punch the negativity key and I guess I find that trying.

Complaining about hull form is like counting buttons or commenting on the shade of red for a uniform. All that appears to happen is the commentor trying to show how much useless knowledge they have at the expense of the person providing or doing the work.

Now if the person is saying the hull form is wrong, but MY models offer the right form for different types of ships, then they can get away with it (okay, not really).

Granted 99 out of 100 gamers would have no idea what the ship is supposed to look like in the first place. Nor would they care if someone slapped some containers on it and called it a container ship.

Brings up the old saying "those that can't point out what is wrong with things that those that can do".

But the hull form IS wrong. Box boats have a much higher freeboard, and have an entirely differently shaped hull. They are designed to go much faster, so have finer lines fore and aft, as well as having their ER and acconodation in a different place. It would be easier to make a box-boat model from scratch than convert a large bulk-carrier; they are completely different.
If you aren't interested as to whether your merchant vessels look right or not, then you can do what you like. But if you want a box-boat that looks like a box-boat, then converting a bulk carrier model isn't going to work.
Would an aircraft carrier easily convert into a VLCC? Would a general cargo ship easily convert into a frigate? Would a chemical tanker easily convert into a destroyer? Only if you don't care what they look like….

Blimey….he's on his merchant navy soap box again. Someone pass the and the we might as well settle in.

Hmmmm… give me one of those too…. oh and order some for later.

Do you honestly believe that your comments, like this one, aren't based on some kind of personal grudge? Is it because I pointed out that you'd got things wrong in a (much) earlier thread that you can't forgive? I've clearly done something dreadful for you to feel the need to persist with your rather snide, and quite childish, and altogether unnecessary personal comments. Oh well, as long as you're amusing yourself….

Just to confirm my earlier, "on thread" contribution, box boats tend to look like this:
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or this,
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or this,
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Note the freeboard, even when fully laden, and the fine lines forward.
Bulk carriers tend to look like this:
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As you can see, they are very different. Much deeper in the water when fully laden, much finer forward, broader in the beam relative to their length, and with ER and accomodation right aft.
Whether my models are or aren't better is irrelevant. The thread starter suggested the conversion, I pointed out the problems with such a conversion; should I encourage people to get things wrong?
I would suggest that such a basic thing as hull form is of far more importance than whether a red coat is the right shade of red, it is the equivalent of having French infantry in British uniforms, but painted blue. If you're happy with that, then fine……

"Much deeper in the water when fully laden, much finer forward, broader in the beam relative to their length"

Sorry, this should have read:
"Much deeper in the water when fully laden, much less fine forward, broader in the beam relative to their length"

At 1/2400 or smaller, they all look the same in profile to me, particularly from 3 or more feet away.

Modelling, and gaming, of course, depends on your viewpoint. It is perfectly fine to play with cardboard cut out ships, in 2 dimensional plan view, in any colour you like.
One could similarly argue that British and German WW2 troops are essentially the same in 15mm, especially viewed from 3 or more feet away, so can be interchanged at will. Tanks in 5mm scale are all very similar, from 3 feet away, so why do people buy models of particular tank types? Hussars and dragoons in 15mm will look similar from 3 feet away. Most frigates and destroyers will look remarkably similar in 1/2400 from 3 feet away, so why bother with models of individual ship classes?

Is it because I pointed out that you'd got things wrong in a (much) earlier thread that you can't forgive?

No…no. Probably more because you seem to find everyone wrong. I've never seen you make a *positive* comment on any thread by anyone. Just negativity.

You may find that consulting your health professional about an efficient laxative may alleviate some of your problem.

More snide comments. I can't recall you making snide remarks directly to any other member who might be construed as being "negative". There are many of them; perhaps you just look out for my comments?
On the other hand, if a member asks for comments on ideas or models, as I pointed out above, should I lie? Or ignore the errors and faults? I've pointed out in some detail my reasoning, it's up to the member to accept advice, or ignore it. I'm sure that he's big and mature enough to deal with it, without another member stepping in, unless you have your own agenda?

On the other hand, if a member asks for comments on ideas or models, as I pointed out above, should I lie?

You dont have to. All you have to do is pass on any helpful information you have so that the person on the other end can take note of that and use it. Helpful information encourages and helps fellow wargamers.

I thought that my comment WAS helpful, in that you can't effectively convert a model of a large bulk carrier to a box boat, and I explained why.

Easy to convert into a large container vessel? How? The hull form is entirely different!

So was a Spanish Galleon!

Perhaps your erudition is too advanced for me. Your point is?