"What the? It's the Mintaures Page!" Topic

Rant on.

What the is going on?

People are ing and moaning about HMGS-E, slipping in political comments, taking pot shots at each other safe behind their computer screens, etc.

TMP is a place where you ask questions and talk about the games you've played. It's about the hobby stupid. What the did you think it was when you signed up?

Just go play some damn games and have fun or go paint some lead. Isn't one of the reasons we game is to forget about the crap in our lives and relax?

To paraphrase Davey Crockett.

"You can all go to hell! I am going to game!"

And did I offend you? Great! Send my ass to the Doghouse because you offend me!

Rant off.

That's what online fora are there for:

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Allen

Hear! Hear! Maybe we should all go to the doghouse in protest.

LOL – One could only hope.

On a practical note, it seems to me there are probably two very good ways to reduce the level of stress inflicted by bothersome threads and posts.

1) If a thread's title appears provocative (today, that would be most anything with "HMGS" in it), do not open it. Move on.

2) If a particular poster irks you, do not read his or her posts. There is an automated facility available on TMP that might help you with this.

It's that simple--and like many simple things, it may be very hard for some.

Allen

Reminds me a bit of a saying we used to have about the local IPMS chapter in my old home town. "I went to a fight and a meeting broke out."

I thought that was ice hockey

1) If a thread's title appears provocative (today, that would be most anything with "HMGS" in it), do not open it. Move on.

Yep that's true. But it clogs up the main page.

So do many other thread subjects.

Ed,

In the spirit of peace, love and gaming could you submit another ad with your lovely spokeswoman….

U3- I like…

Hey
Ed is right, I am tired of the HMGS-E stuff.
So why don't you join Ed and others in New Orleans at Bayou Wars!!!

I thought you wanted to go to Vegas, kb?

Ed if your done with the soap box you need to return it so later on another TMP'er can use it.

Ed i do agree on the purpose of TMP.

The high profile of HMGS-East (and I do consuider all the chapters as individual groups with various local issues to consider), makes comments on their convention status and internal politics unavoidable.

I may read short one-or two sentances in all the posts, maybe even a paragraph but when it comes to very very long posts, I do not read them. So I may not be totally informed.

I just switched off the conventions board and voila! Hardly anything to do with HMGS-East shows up.

Sometimes we have to create a happy place for our minds to wander.

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No that wasn't it.

"I just switched off the conventions board and voila! Hardly anything to do with HMGS-East shows up."

Amazing, what?

"Sometimes we have to create a happy place for our minds to wander."

Could this be it?

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Switch off the convention board and you can't see the info on conventions.

Ed if your done with the soap box you need to return it so later on another TMP'er can use it.

Will do!

No. Far too monochrome.

I should however go post this somewhere
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I disagree that it clogs anything up. If you want to talk about HMGS cons it seems like the conventions board would be the place to do it. If you can't talk about issues surrounding the largest historical miniature gaming convention in North America on the miniatures page then something is a bit off.

Like others have pointed out, if the threads bother you, don't read them.

You say it's the Minotaur's Page? Well, that explains a lot.

"I'm strong as the earth from which I'm born,
"I can't dream well because of my horns."

Switch off the convention board and you can't see the info on conventions.

True, but since we only do Historicon once every 2 years, it's not like it's a huge loss. For you, of course, it's more of an issue. Cons are part of your bread and butter.

Turn off "Clubs", too.

Hear, hear, Ed!

"On a practical note, it seems to me there are probably two very good ways to reduce the level of stress inflicted by bothersome threads and posts.

1) If a thread's title appears provocative (today, that would be most anything with "HMGS" in it), do not open it. Move on.

2) If a particular poster irks you, do not read his or her posts. There is an automated facility available on TMP that might help you with this.

It's that simple--and like many simple things, it may be very hard for some."

Avoidance is not the solution for bad behavior. I know you may be trying to keep the peace, but this kumbaya idea of ignoring posts, statements, and posters that a growing number of people are taking offense to and growing tired of doesn't cull them.

One solution is to you-know-what them.

The other is for people to start acting their age and be grownups, post civilly, and not use their forum anonymity for such nastiness.

Like momma always said, If you don't have anything nice to say, shush and go paint your figures.

If Ed is going to the doghouse, I'll gladly join him.

Ed will never go to the doghouse – he's an advertiser. Who ever accused Bill of being fair?

Well at least we could play some Two Hour Wargames together in there :-P

"Ed will never go to the doghouse – he's an advertiser"

Not true dude. Seen it before.

"…this kumbaya idea of ignoring posts, statements, and posters that a growing number of people are taking offense to and growing tired of doesn't cull them."

Yet others see the point being made, and find them neither offensive nor tiresome. It doesn't help to condescendingly suggest that anyone act their age and be grownups. The same could be said to those having a cow over the posts, especially since the worst behavior so far is coming from the protestors. Instead, I recommend simply ignoring the posts and threads if they bother you.

Allen

Ed will never go to the doghouse – he's an advertiser. Who ever accused Bill of being fair?

I've been there before and will end up there again no doubt. What for the first time?

I had a sculpt of a 15mm zombie actually made by Big Mean Elf. If you know who that is. Posted it and it made someone unhappy :( so I was dog housed.

And I thought it was everybody getting upset over Flagship Games closing its doors…

"especially since the worst behavior so far is coming from the protestors."

I am prety sure I have seen your name present in all the threads made by PaintsbyNumbers and he's not a protester in your sense of the word.

Last I saw he attacked all of the UK, in a thread where the British fellow who was protesting to use your term simply asked for there to be a separate form for HMGS discussions because he was tired of all the bitching.

Ridiculous.

I returned to this site because I was told that people were finally getting sick of all the nasty posts wrt HMGS, the BoD, and The Move. . . which seems to be the case. But it also seems to be the case that whenever anyone tries to hold people accountable for their over the top posts and rants, they are told "Oh well if you don't like it, don't read it."

I think I might go back to not reading this site at all, then. Good luck to those of you who choose to stay.

See ya.

How hard is it to ignore these posts? I ignore about 4 out of every 5 posts on this page. I wish I had the time to click on posts that not only didn't interest me, but ones that made me angry.

The posts are being made to the convention or clubs board, they are talking about conventions or clubs, if you don't like that maybe you should leave.

It is easy to say that these things could be discussed on the HMGS yahoo groups, but that could be said of anything. There is a Carlist War yahoo group, should we ban discussion of the Carlist Wars because of that. Of course not. Stop getting your panties in a twist over nothing. Just ignore it and stop clicking on things that say HMGS in them.

Pictors Studios – You don't get it. It's not all about HMGS, I was speaking about the general attitude.

But you know what? There's nothing that you can say that will change what I think and there's nothing that I can say that will change what you think.

It is easy to say that these things could be discussed on the HMGS yahoo groups, but that could be said of anything. There is a Carlist War yahoo group, should we ban discussion of the Carlist Wars because of that. Of course not. Stop getting your panties in a twist over nothing. Just ignore it and stop clicking on things that say HMGS in them.

See, great example. I'm talking about all the sniping that goes on in addition to the political stuff AND HMGS whining and you're talking only about HMGS. Why? Because you choose to ignore what you don't want to talk about then try to be clever and respond to what you like.

Discussing the conventions and clubs is fine. That's the point of the Conventions forum. Its a great spot for AARs and photos of games.

It's when discussions on that board turn into people attacking each other back and forth over a hobby that it seems ridiculous to me.

Someone else had said that you will run into these same people at conventions, would you talk to them in such a manner in person?

Ed got put in the doghouse over a 15mm miniature, that seems like nothing.

It takes nothing to ignore a post. The point is that if everyone tried to play nicer we wouldn't have to ignore them.

Yes, I know this post was a waste of time, blah blah ignore people.

Good night!

"It's that simple--and like many simple things, it may be very hard for some."

In war everything is simple, but the simple things are very difficult.

I don't understand this 'clog up' idea? Don't like it, ignore it.

It's when discussions on that board turn into people attacking each other back and forth over a hobby that it seems ridiculous to me.

I agree with you and Ed on that. At some point I accept that it's human nature. Wargamers are a subset of the population that *may* be somewhat more quirky and argumentative by nature of the type of hobby we share. Wargaming can be competitive, rules get over interpreted, some people claim to be experts, some people argue, some can't handle losing, some cheat, and others are just not fun to be around at times.

As Eris is to Ares.

Take those people out of a wargame and put them onto ANY forum, and you've changed the venue but not the underlying psychology. The bad and good are one together. HMGS stuff is just the recent catalyst and we've had the same thing before over a number of hot button topics that pop up from time to time. The user handles just change depending on the issues and who holds them dear.

a happy place for all

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Since its "Bill's house, Bill's rules", he can police his own site.

"You don't get it. It's not all about HMGS, I was speaking about the general attitude."

I do get it. If you don't like someone's attitude there are lots of ways to get around that. If someone posts a topic that says "Such and such a person is a poopy head" don't look at it. A rock could understand that.

Just don't look at them and you don't have to have to waste your time on them. They don't open of their own accord.

" Because you choose to ignore what you don't want to talk about then try to be clever and respond to what you like."

I'm not trying to be clever, it comes naturally to me.

Perhaps my psychic powers are a little slow today, but how the do you know you're going to like or not like what someone has written before you've…read what they've written? A rock could understand that.

All this 'ignore it if you don't like it' is bollix, the place still has a 'tone' whatever people do or don't read. Hell, if I group attacked all you Yanks I'd be in the tank faster than blinking. One can only assume that if someone posts bile and doesn't get sent to the Naughty Step it's because Big Chief Bill agrees, at least tacitly, with what they're posting.

Course, change your username to a Lincolnshire town and you're outta here so fast your feet don't touch ground…

A rock could understand that.

A rock could understand that.

I asked the Rock if he could understand that and that. Guys, He said it doesn't matter.

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"Perhaps my psychic powers are a little slow today, but how the do you know you're going to like or not like what someone has written before you've…read what they've written?"

Because things have a title, like "Should the HMGS BOD resign?" If you think that post is going to be something that offends you, given the title, then maybe you shouldn't read it. I don't think it takes psychic powers to know these things.

Maybe it does for you.

That seems to be a legitimate question about a club on the club board. People disagreed. It seems that by starting the thread the OP ended up putting a lot more people in the opposite camp than his own. Perhaps Bill didn't agree with the OP's point and wanted to let him hoist himself with his own petard. I don't pretend to know Bill's mind.

Unless I have missed some, it seems like the threads in question have been dealing with legititmate issues with people who have put themselves in semi-public, at least for the club, positions of leadership and are being criticized for the decisions they have made and steps they have taken.

Debate followed on that and most people, from what I read, disagreed and seemed to think that the OP was being unfair to the people in question.

This isn't the same thing as saying "All Bongolesians are jerk weeds, since you are a Bongolesian, YOU are a jerk weed." Or something along those lines.

If there is a tone on a thread that you don't like just stop reading it. If the title is deceptive that is one thing, but the titles often aren't.

Even if it is you can pretty much see where it is going after the first post.

You know, with a little practice you could be an even bigger sarcastic than I am.

Well done. I am defeated. I shall hand my 'Sarcastic Bastard' crown back.

Unfortunately, I shall probably never gain the 'Missing the Point by a Country Mile' badge as you appear to have won that outright.

Go back.

Read. The. Words.

Doh, I had a great 51st post. Ruined. Timing is everything.

"Doh, I had a great 51st post. Ruined. Timing is everything."

Just post it and we'll all pretend it was #51.

Might have been better for #50 now that I think about it.

Apologies to Mr. Seger, but I like this version better

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