"Should Panzeri resign from the HMGS BOD?" Topic

Neil

For the most part I've been ignoring your constant ranting about Omerta and how I sold my soul to Pete Panzeri, or the Devil, or someone for room nights across the street from the BCC. After all, you haven't actually made the accusation in your own right. You claim it is from a source you regard as highly unreliable.

But it struck me that I have reason to be greviously insulted. You are repeating lies about my selling out for half the cost of the room!

If you insist on slandering me about selling out at least give me credit for insisting on having the room free and clear!

Unlike you, I don't trade in unreliable rumors. But if I did repeat such rumors I would credit your leader with holding out for a much more impressive price.

Pat

Pete had no reason to lie about this

Neil,
I think, considering the Royal Mess that has been created, and the fact that he was large and "in charge", Pete might be willing to say anything imaginable to relieve some of the pressure he is feeling.
I am not saying that Pat can't be an enormous pain in the Fifth Point of Contact. And yes, he does have a tendency to rant.
But Pat is not the only person I know in HMGS East, nor is he the only person that Pete has created allegations about, including members of the "Upper Circle" of the organization.
As far as Pat being kicked out of another group, that occurred because he defended me against accusations, which were untrue at the time they were made and despite repeated requests by me for proof have never been substantiated and never will.

chuck kennedy

Anybody got a stake to drive through the heart of this thread?

its..its..ITS ALIVE!!!!

Yeah, Yeah Chuck. We get it. Even though it happens again and again its never your buddies fault. He's just the Charlie Brown of miniature gaming. Yawn! DJ, Rick, lights please!

Neil Brennan

It actually is a decent thread in concept. This thread is not about what Pete had done good or ill for the society or what a nice guy he is. The real question is:

"Given the current state of the Convention and the society and his involvement in creating both, would the honorable and appropriate thing for Pete Panzeri to do be to resign?"

This deals with what we think and idividual should do. Some cultures have people commit ritual suicide for smaller blunders. I'm not advocating that no am I advocating the way that some unsucessful Roman Generals fell on their swords (even some Soviet Generals are said to have taken the honorable way out). Nor am I advocating a group lynching mentality. Some cultures stone adulterers (not even in the 1970's would I really want to see Pete Stoned) Tar and Feathers was a popular sign of dissafection on the East Coast back in Colonial times and a ride out of town on a rail was always good for selling some roasted peanuts and ice cream in the old west.

But the real issue is whether the Society would benefit if Pete were simply to step down from the board and maintain a low profile for a while. I think that answer is likely "yes". It allows the rest of the society to move on and repair itself. Pete and the conflict between his supporters and detractors would quickly become "old news' so to speak and the focus could again be on setting up the conventions and rolling some dice. So from a standpoint of stemming the bleeding and allowing the ongoing goals of HMGS East to once again start to take center stage. I think if Pete is interested what's best for HMGS East he will resign now.

Gil Bates

Gil… Gil, Gil, Gil, Gil, Gil…

We just might have to keelhaul you for making such a well reasoned argument… ;)

So why has it taken 5 pages before someone actually answered the question being asked?

Because it took someone that long to figure out how to say it without being D-housed! :P

PaintsByNumbers
So why has it taken 5 pages before someone actually answered the question being asked?

There were a lot of answers right away. It just took 5 pages to get the answer you wanted.

YY

. Going back to pg 1, the first 12 answers are non-responsive.

"Given the current state of the Convention and the society and his involvement in creating both, would the honorable and appropriate thing for Pete Panzeri to do be to resign?"

Given that we have no idea of the current state of the issues surrounding the Convention and the involvement of Pete Panzeri, any attempts to decide that question above, without more information, would be an indicator of a lack of reasoning ability.

Rich

Whittle, Whittle, Whittle, Whittle……..

Given that we have no idea of the current state of the issues surrounding the Convention and the involvement of Pete Panzeri, any attempts to decide that question above, without more information, would be an indicator of a lack of reasoning ability.

So when we DO have some idea of the issues and circumstances surrounding the many questions that have been circulating on this forum, will be free THEN to ask questions? This, of course, assumes that the BoD will stick to their promise of being "open" about all of this…

>Given that we have no idea of the current state of the issues surrounding the Convention and the involvement of Pete Panzeri
>

Is a reason the question was phrased thusly -- to invite revelation of those issues.

My post was phrased with what they call "style." But it seems that people with agendas prefer to accuse it of being another agenda.

OTOH, "you can't tell the Sock Puppets without a stalking horse."

Get your stalking horse here…

Almost got a nice point, next a really massive mallet….

DJ make sure the stake is White Ash wood you are making…Legend says the stake has to be made out of White Ash…and you don't want to both up the job and have this thing rise back up from it's grave do you???

I'm using Northern White Ash, the same as used for MLB bats. I figure if it's good enough for my beloved Reds, it's good enough for me. The mallet will have a hickory handle and a birch head. Nothing but the very best.

Gil Bates,

Just had the opportunity to look at this site. Nice, reasoned post. Pete has 6 months left then he's off the board. Given the lack of business knowledge of the others I don't think his remaining or leaving will make a difference. In any event, why do you think Pete thinks he made a mistake?

Bob Coggins

"I think if Pete is interested what's best for HMGS East he will resign now."

…… If that was the case none of this would have ever happened.

Mike B

>The mallet will have a hickory handle and a birch head.

A proper maul also has an iron-bound head so it doesn't split.

bless your heart

DJ
shouldn't you be looking at what the red's opposition uses, they seem to wrk better than the red's bats :)

larry

On the basic topic of this thread, there is no valid reason to ask Pete to resign. He is relatively lacking in influence at present, and unlikely to do any serious damage. But if he resigns the BORG might appoint someone to replace him. And you never know what that could lead to.

corzin 15 Dec 2009 8:40 p.m. PST
DJ
shouldn't you be looking at what the red's opposition uses, they seem to wrk better than the red's bats :)

larry

*NJH: LOL! I just put some metal bands on my mallet head and I need need to test it. Come closer, … closer, … just a little more….couple more inches….. ;-)

Captain Apathy:
Welcome back, you have been missed.

"On the basic topic of this thread, there is no valid reason to ask Pete to resign."
Okay then don't have him resign. But can we at least tar and feather him.

"I think if Pete is interested what's best for HMGS East he will resign now."

…… If that was the case none of this would have ever happened.

Mike B"

Well said. Brilliant, even.

-A.

On the basic topic of this thread, there is no valid reason to ask Pete to resign. He is relatively lacking in influence at present, and unlikely to do any serious damage. But if he resigns the BORG might appoint someone to replace him. And you never know what that could lead to.

The serious issue is his seeming lack of involvement at this point. I'm assuming that he is talking to the rest of the current BoD, but otherwise, the man has become invisible, not something that gives one confidence in someone in a leadership position.

If he did resign, I would hope that the remaining BoD members would understand the temperment of the membership at present, and appoint someone with a history that isn't controversial and is known for being level-headed. As to who that might be, I have no idea, but whomever they might pick, I expect it would be better than an empty chair (though furniture is not known to spend very much money on hotel rooms and the like!).

>when we DO have some idea of the issues and circumstances surrounding the many questions that have been circulating on this forum, will be free THEN to ask questions?
>

Hmmm… still awaiting an accounting from HMGS…

Pete should be allowed to stay on the BOD as President Emeritus. If you want to grant him a stipend, please do so, I'm thinking 10 grand a year would be a nice stipend. But please checks the books first and make sure there is some money in there. Thank you.

vonLoudon, how about forcing him to pay the money back that is going to be lost because of the BCC fiasco? Also can't we at least tar and feather him.

Disco Joe 06 May 2010 7:21 a.m. PST
Also can't we at least tar and feather him.

Tar and feathers might be violent enough to get you in trouble with the law.

I'm thinkin' dunk tank. That would release a lot of frustration and might put that $90K back in the bank to boot. I bet a lot of HMGSers would pay big money for a throw at that target.

yy

Bottom line… HMGS has been mismanaged for LONG time.

Somewhere and somehow the BOD's for a long time have thought that the unwashed masses were clamering to be miniature players. Let's be true here it won't be long till we are going to have to widen the ailses at the conventions for all of the Rascals that will be rolling. Oxygen bottles will be place strategically through the facility for emergencies and vitamin shots will be given when picking up your pre-reg.

But because of this misplaced notion of the overwhelming desire to caress lead, huge amounts of cash have been squandered in effort to "advance the hobby". Heck the hobby is so old who is gonna carry the flag?

If the BOD gave Pete the power to sign contracts then to be honest you should scrap all of them for incompedence, or at least everyone who voted to do so.

On a brighter note…I am waiting with baited breath for the year 2020, by then I probably won't get a HIstory lesson about Wally's Basement everytime there is a thread about HMGS. :)

If he was smart he would give a public apology and then play on everyone's heartstrings, already proven to work, ie Tigger Woods, all the self-admitted steroid ballplayers, etc.

I believe Tigger lived in the Hundred Acre woods, with Christopher Robin, Pooh Bear, Eeyore, Piglet et al.

Never heard Tigger apologize for anything though.

"If the BOD gave Pete the power to sign contracts then to be honest you should scrap all of them for incompedence"

Well in fact he didn't have complete power to sign contracts. No one does. They need two signatures not just one. He did a lot without getting more input from the rest of the BoD and went 'Rambo'. That's why this topic is kinda important.

At some point, some of you will finally come to understand that:

1) if Panzeri intended to resign, he would have done so by now;

2) HMGS East is in the middle of an election process which will make this issue moot, although I'm sure some of you will continue to bring it up to suit your own purposes;

3) some of the self-appointed legal "experts" here know nothing about contract law.

Unlike some others who have commented on this and related topics in the past, I know where I went to law school. I know how many judges I have worked for and how many contract cases I have seen, both as a law clerk and as a trial lawyer. Maybe I'm wrong and I hope I am, but if I'm worried about East's exposure, maybe some of the self-appointed "experts" should be also.

As with most things in life, time will tell.

If Pete goes into the dunk tank, shouldn't our legal advisor go in there as well. Just sayin'.

"If Pete goes into the dunk tank, shouldn't our legal advisor go in there as well."
Now that idea has some merit. Put Pete in a dunk tank and have 3 balls for $1. USD All procedes to go to paying for his folly to the BCC.

Honestly, everyone involved should go in the tank. This was a needless disaster brought on by arrogance and carelessness.

Put Pete in a dunk tank and have 3 balls for $1. USD USD All procedes to go to paying for his folly to the BCC.

Three for a buck?

Guys would wear their arms out before HMGS got all the money they'd be willing to spend.

At $10 USD a ball I bet the line would be longer than the pig line.

yy

I'd buy that for a dollar!

Seriously, it might be a good "ice breaker" if Pete made an apology and then let folks dunk him.

The only people who might be upset by this might be the dealers since all of our money will be going to the dunking booth! :)

Looks like some people got their wish.

Now they will have to find someone else to blame for all of HMGS' problems, real and imagined, in the future.

Que? What? Was?

"Now they will have to find someone else to blame for all of HMGS' problems, real and imagined, in the future."

Lol. Sure, resigning after you destroy something immediately absolves you of blame.

A meaningless jesture befitting the man!!

Naw. It would befit him more if it was reinforced with a meaningless, self-serving, newsletter about how much he's contributed to the hobby.

(And, by the way, did you know about all his other successful ventures in life? If not, he'll be sure to tell you in the next thrilling installment.)

Maybe HMGS should rephrase the "man on a horse" award?

Those who can – step forward.

Those who can't – whine from the rear.