"Beauffremont dragoons: French SYW" Topic

I have two questions…..
What was their shabraque color?
And their cross belt: white or leather?

Housing and shabraque were red trimmed buff and most illustrations show leather belting for equipment.

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Cheers,
Robert
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White crossbelts for dragoons in the SYW (at least, according to the le Plumet plates that I have although not including Beauffremont).

And from the Lace Wars, for 1750 it shows a buff shabraque with a very narrow lace edge in red. Unfortunately, it does not show the shabraque for 1757. And buff with a white edge (although starting in 1733) from the Mouillard plates.
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P.S. the Lace Wars shows buff with narrow white trim for 1733 as well, but has it changed to the much-thnner red trim for 1750.

The Funcken book on the Lace Wars, published in 1976, shows for 1750 a dragoon of #12 – Harcourt – on foot with waist belt – and cross belt for the bullet pouch – in white. Next is a blue-coated regiment in foot service with the same white belting. The next page shows a mounted trooper of d'Apchon (#13) in 1750 with the same white belting.

A Schematic of all the dragoon regiments for 1750 shows Beauffremont #8 with an all-red uniform, a red schabraque, but a wide (1 to 1.5 inches?) solid yellow-buff edging. The forage cap is all red with a yellow-buff band, could be 1/2 to 3/4 inches wide. The red sack seems to have white tassle and edging.

Pengel shows in Part 9, Etat Militaire, 1759, a change in uniform details, probably between 1756 and 1757. #8 took "ventre de biche" ("belly of the doe?") for cuffs, vest, and vest lining., all the rest red. No mention anywhere else about the schabraque, so it probab red with wide Ventre de biche band. By the way, a Rigo plate describe the uniform coat of the Volontaires de Clermont Prince as being ventre de biche.

GdeP

"fawn" – whatever that clour is in practice…

"Ventre de biche" ('doe's belly' -or possibly 'fruit of the doe's belly' = fawn?) anyway refers to the color, not of the pelt of but of the cured skin. The same for "chamois" -the distinctive of Napoleonic voltigeurs- refering to the color, not of the fur of the 'mountain antelope', but to chamois leather / shammy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shammy e.g. picture
"Ventre de biche" is generally pictured warmer, more orange than "chamois": the Clermont-Prince (then Conde) Legion wore the livery of the Conde familiy, 'ventre de biche et ecarlate': link