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khurasanminiatures26 Oct 2009 8:43 a.m. PST

Sales of these continue to amaze me. I immediately sold through the first stock, rushed in a restock, and now have sold through that too! I ordered a second restock as soon as it was clear the first one wouldn't hold, and that one should hopefully be in by the end of the week.

So thanks to all for their support and acceptance of this line and I am processing orders in the order in which they were received! Very glad to have produced models so many of you seem to like. I hope you get many exciting games from them, and glad you think "theeeeeey're GREAT!" wink

The Lion attack transport (all four inches of it!) is with the casters now ….

Mardaddy26 Oct 2009 9:22 a.m. PST

Goes to show, when you have a great idea & good product, you *will* attract customers.

wminsing26 Oct 2009 10:06 a.m. PST

Have they done so well they merit a couple of additional packs…? ;)

-Will

khurasanminiatures26 Oct 2009 10:16 a.m. PST

Sculptor's busy Will! I have to wait til he has some availability.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2009 10:21 a.m. PST

Felids just beg to have some "close assault"-style troops…

Top Gun Ace26 Oct 2009 10:25 a.m. PST

Glad to hear they are selling well…..

I agree, the cats should have some big, metal claw weapons (not overly big, mind you), for melee attacks.

khurasanminiatures26 Oct 2009 10:25 a.m. PST

Actually what I'm usually asked for is heavy weapons, rather than close assault. What do you mean by close assault? Grenades and SMGs, or something else?

Mardaddy26 Oct 2009 10:40 a.m. PST

I'm sure he means hand-to-hand…

khurasanminiatures26 Oct 2009 10:44 a.m. PST

That's sort of 40k though, isn't it? I mean, gothic sci fi.

wminsing26 Oct 2009 10:55 a.m. PST

Sculptor's busy Will! I have to wait til he has some availability.

If we are actually getting new packs I'm prepared to wait as long as needed! :D

That's sort of 40k though, isn't it? I mean, gothic sci fi.

Both yes and no- guys swinging chain swords might be out, but there will still be need for troops that are equipped for short range combat, and that would include hand to hand weapons. I could also see the Felids being a species that likes going claw-to-claw when they get the chance….

So close assault troops (SMGs, grenades and hth weapons) and heavy/support weapons would be much appreciated!

Since the Felids are a predatory race I could also see some sort of 'stalker' troops, sharpshooters and the like.

-Will

MiniatureReview26 Oct 2009 11:26 a.m. PST

Maybe something a little bigger than the current Felids sculpted with very sharp claws. Something along the lines of
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OK I am now serious

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When I think of the Felids, they appear to be fast and mobile, so the above works. I am not sure they would have power armored troops for the same reason.

Rothgar26 Oct 2009 11:33 a.m. PST

I would like to make a FWC army out of these figures. I'm not sure what other "units" could be made, but I'd rather not have it mirror a human army entirely.

Some sort of stealth/scout/recon unit would make sense. Perhaps a fast attack unit.

I'll think on it more.

Top Gun Ace26 Oct 2009 11:49 a.m. PST

Hand-to-Claw combat…..

Monkeyborg Dirtside26 Oct 2009 12:11 p.m. PST

I'd be more than happy to have more of the existing Felids, just more variety for larger units. Good work Khurasan, keep it up!

consectari26 Oct 2009 12:37 p.m. PST

Have they done so well they merit a 28mm version…? ;)

MiniatureReview26 Oct 2009 12:38 p.m. PST

28mm booo. Throw him to the Felids, although at 15mm I think he would probably just squish them. :)

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP26 Oct 2009 2:48 p.m. PST

I could also see the Felids being a species that likes going claw-to-claw when they get the chance….

Sorry, this is where I was coming from, not from the 40K chainsword-and-pistol school of thought. I just think that cats like to pounce, and would therefore be somewhat inclined to close with and destroy the enemy by means of close-quarters combat. Scream-and-leap, as the Kzinti would say.

Eli Arndt26 Oct 2009 3:01 p.m. PST

Felid vehicle and/or ship crew?

-Eli

khurasanminiatures26 Oct 2009 3:41 p.m. PST

Well, it is an interesting point that heavy weapons just would make them more like humans -- I may have to think on that a bit. Only issue is, if I make close combat guys, I'll probably need to make another 3-4 of them, and that might be harder to get done than, say, making two HW guys.

Lampyridae26 Oct 2009 4:10 p.m. PST

So make the heavy weapons different somehow. Make the poses unique? I can imagine Felids going on all fours with a missile launcher, stalking a tank.

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wminsing26 Oct 2009 4:18 p.m. PST

So make the heavy weapons different somehow. Make the poses unique? I can imagine Felids going on all fours with a missile launcher, stalking a tank.

That could be cool.

-Will

consectari26 Oct 2009 5:53 p.m. PST

28mm booo. Throw him to the Felids, although at 15mm I think he would probably just squish them. :)

but…I loves me kitty…frown

Wellspring26 Oct 2009 6:03 p.m. PST

Any word on whether the Lion will be metal or resin?

Crawling stalkers would be cool. I can see the argument for close combat types-- especially if they use clawed gloves to extend and sharpen their natural claws (like a club extends the human arm). And, of course, carbines and shotguns.

Maybe females? Not sexy cat-femmes, but much smaller non-combat types nursing a litter in a reclining posture. I'm thinking like the Kzin-- who show strong sexual dimorphism and whose females are much smaller and subsentient.

Space-suited troops felids?

Maybe all terrain trike or quad riders-- two wheels in front, one behind, ridden in a low, crouching posture (much like a racing motorcycle like a kawasaki). Armed with an antipersonnel beam weapon and backed up with two AT missiles for targets of opportunity. Designed to be used very aggressively.

Officers and characters-- that's something I see really lacking in 15mm in general these days. Non-combatants like mechanics and crewmen. They can be obviously subservient, with cringing postures.

A VTOL of some kind-- maybe maching the Lion by being a kind of felid answer to the Mi-24: an oversized flying tank/APC. A dropship. The Felids seem to go for big massed attacks: probably a function of their territoriality and pack (pride) tactics.

Ivan DBA26 Oct 2009 6:52 p.m. PST

I like the idea of doing some with actual melee claws. Surely there is room for some dark gothic sci-fi in the 15mm world too?

Eli Arndt26 Oct 2009 6:59 p.m. PST

Well, it is an interesting point that heavy weapons just would make them more like humans -- I may have to think on that a bit.

That is a tough one. The thing to consider is whether or not the felids can be an effective fighting force without at least rudimentary support equipment. If you made them high-tech enough, they might get by with sleak plasma blasters instead of rocket launchers and nothign saws that an advanced SAW need be huge. Perhaps consider giving them sort of supporting remote drones that keep them unencumbered or look into shoulder or back-mounted support weapons.

Only issue is, if I make close combat guys, I'll probably need to make another 3-4 of them, and that might be harder to get done than, say, making two HW guys.

I would say that support weapons are much more important to a successful line of scifi minis. That doesn't mean I don't want to see felids in HTH poses. Perhaps a pack of both felid assault troops and support troops in the same pack?

-Eli

Dragon Gunner26 Oct 2009 8:15 p.m. PST

Perhaps a Felid grenadier.

They wear a harness of multi purpose grenades.

1. Aerosol defeats multi spectrum vision equipment, functions a lot like smoke grenades. The Felid advances through the aerosol and close assaults with blades mounted on his wrist like the movie Predator.

2. Fragmentation

3. Plasma sticks to target thrown more like a baseball than a grenade. Excellent against vehicles burns right through their armor.

4. Sonic stun grenades followed up with hand to hand attack.

khurasanminiatures26 Oct 2009 9:31 p.m. PST

Eli, someone had suggested a sniper as a good way for a cat to hunt, and I am coming around to that idea. So maybe a rocket launcher and a sniper.

For really heavy support the Lion has a humongous energy weapon on its roof.

For super-heavy support they will rely on the Garn; in my fluff the Felids would not get a weapon that's too too powerful, being subjects and all. The Garn are getting a grav tank the likes of which God himself has never seen. wink

Vis Bellica27 Oct 2009 1:41 a.m. PST

Sniper good.

Scout good: crouching figure with hi-tech helmet/backpack.

Love the idea of a Felid on all fours with a rocket launcher mounted on its back, with a standing crew member to load…but I'd take any support weapons that you made. You just can't make an army-looking-army without them.

How about Felid's with a jump-pack? You could produce four variants plus a command figure that people could either use as part of existing squads (cos the jump packs would need to be sleek) or on their own as elite assault infantry.

Forget the hand-to-hand specialist. If you want variety in the standard "rifle squad", then a Felid chucking a grenade is better.

khurasanminiatures27 Oct 2009 5:29 a.m. PST

Robert I think that would be cool, I mean the jump packs, but that's a lot of models for the sculptor ti commit to. It's not cost for me at this point, it's sculptor time. It would be great to get even two more models, and maybe he could squeeze them in, but four might be pushing my luck. I'd really want to use this specific sculptor as he created the distinctive look of the models on his own, and I wouldn't want follow-on models to look different.

Well I can at least collect these ideas as future projects!

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP27 Oct 2009 6:17 a.m. PST

Maybe he could take the current set and just modify one or two? I'd nominate the figs on the left and right ends of this pic -- picture -- as being the most suited to getting a jump pack sculpted on.

Likewise, the two figs on the left end of the pic would make good candidates to be modified for heavy weapons.

I think that Felids, by their nature, would be extremely effective in the Infiltrator role (stalking and HTH), so the scouts/infiltrators would be a natural fit.

Maybe, too, instead of actual HTH troops, he could take a single pose and add a virtual-reality visor to it, then have that fig come with a dozen or so small hunter-killer drones controlled by the VR fig. That way, the Felids could still engage in the stalking and pouncing which their natural inclinations lead them to, but without any hint of chainswordiness. The assault troops would really just be drone-drivers who steered the hunter-killer drones to their target and detonated them.

Eli Arndt27 Oct 2009 8:41 a.m. PST

I must say that I am no too keen on the heavy on all fours. If the felids have evolved into full bipedalism, which the figures suggest they have, this would not be a desirable firing position and likely wouldn't come all that naturally to the felid.

The Felids all seem to have standardized torso armor, could a pack of jump packs be made, perhaps even by a different sculptor? This would allow any Felid to be turned into a jump trooper.

-Eli

khurasanminiatures27 Oct 2009 10:40 a.m. PST

I think it would be more for the feline look than anything else, Eli, but I'm not sure that it would fit with the other poses. I may actually suggest to the sculptor that he modify a few poses, as javelin suggested. Less work and only on two poses, so more likely to get made.

Personal logo javelin98 Supporting Member of TMP28 Oct 2009 9:11 a.m. PST

If the felids have evolved into full bipedalism, which the figures suggest they have, this would not be a desirable firing position and likely wouldn't come all that naturally to the felid.

That's an excellent point, and one that probably gets too little attention when sci-fi fans are thinking about species-specific idiosyncracies. I still think that the Felids would be prone to infiltration and CQB, though!

This plays perfectly into my planned grav-sleds. I have a bunch of old Clix dials which I'm planning on turning into one-person grav-sleds mounted on flight bases. Once I have them kitbashed up, I'll line the tops with magnetic paper, so that my steel-washer-based minis can move into battle on the sleds and then dismount as necessary to fight. That might be a nice Felid-flavored vehicle. I just need to figure out what to use as a control console… any thoughts or tips along those lines would be appreciated…

AWuuuu28 Oct 2009 3:45 p.m. PST

I want heavy weapons, SAW, and more command, maybe light troops with SMGs.

Close combats are not what i prefer in SF unless they are boarding actions

but i would kill for Felid Power Armour/Battle dress

Darwin Green30 Oct 2009 1:12 p.m. PST

look up a comic called We3. it's about lab animals kitted up in power armor.

the Kitty.
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the cat fore-arms had shrapnel launchers in addition to powered claws for ripping things apart.

Eli Arndt30 Oct 2009 3:24 p.m. PST

We3 IS an excellent comic and you can't beat the rabbit pooping explosive pellets. I heard the comic had been optioned for a movie back when titles were being snatched up left and right.

-Eli

Darwin Green30 Oct 2009 10:53 p.m. PST

"uh"
"oh"
*poop*

BOOM!

Dropship Horizon31 Oct 2009 1:35 a.m. PST

I love Dragon Gunners idea of a grenadier (underslung weapon) – with grenade bandolier across chest of similar.

Cheers
Mark

Dropship Horizon31 Oct 2009 3:26 a.m. PST

For really heavy support the Lion has a humongous energy weapon on its roof.

IMO the Lion transport looks more first foot human to me than something a cat picture would design.

For super-heavy support they will rely on the Garn; in my fluff the Felids would not get a weapon that's too too powerful, being subjects and all.

But that's not MY 'Verse Jon. Sure I'm happy to use the Felids as commando or recon units within other armies – human for instance, but I really want to use them as a distinct independant species.

Cheers
Mark

Eli Arndt31 Oct 2009 9:26 a.m. PST

Jon,

I can appreciate that you have fluff that fuels your imagination and thus your releases, but I would hate to see your fluff get in the way of the growth of your line.

There are going to be players who do not like or want the Garn and who will not buy them though they might very much be in love with the Felids or one of your other races. These same players may decide that their love of felids is not enough for them to invest in them if they cannot be a complete army of their own.

Just some thoughts,

-Eli

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