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archstanton7320 Oct 2009 6:45 p.m. PST

204 years ago today we beat the hell out of the French and Spanish and poor old Nelson met his maker!!

malcolmmccallum20 Oct 2009 6:47 p.m. PST

We did? I should have remembered.

Pictors Studio20 Oct 2009 7:27 p.m. PST

I wasn't there either, but they did a pretty good job of it.

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP20 Oct 2009 7:36 p.m. PST

God save the Queen and bless the Royal Navy!

21eRegt20 Oct 2009 8:10 p.m. PST

Really? I missed it too. Guess all the hoop-la doesn't play as well to the rest of the world. Tip 'o the fore and aft to Nelson and his band of brothers. A superb fighting force, drilled to perfection that somehow managed to win against a generally brave but ill-trained and inept opponent.

Tom Bryant20 Oct 2009 8:34 p.m. PST

Well said Shagnasty. May we be blessed with England as an ally and never cursed with her as an enemy! God Save The Queen! God Bless the Royal Navy and may we always remember Nelson and his brave sailors.

Rob UK20 Oct 2009 11:15 p.m. PST

Not too long ago they wanted to create a new UK holiday and Trafalger Day was a popular choice…….but nothing has since happenned and they didn't want to upset our European friends.

God Save The Queen

hussarbob1746.webs.com

Pictors Studio20 Oct 2009 11:38 p.m. PST

We have friends in Europe? Oh, yeah, all the way over in Poland. Too bad we didn't worry about upsetting them.

Cerdic20 Oct 2009 11:45 p.m. PST

This is the only mention of Trafalgar that I have seen today.

Most of the younger British public have probably never even heard of Trafalgar.

So, 21eRegt, no hoop-la happening in Britain!

Martin Rapier21 Oct 2009 1:25 a.m. PST

'tis to glory we steer.

Hurrah!

Jeremy Sutcliffe21 Oct 2009 1:28 a.m. PST

Time to repeat

Just before the Battle of Trafalgar – a conversation is overheard on the poop deck of HMS Victory:

Nelson: "Order the signal, Hardy."

Hardy: "Aye, aye sir."

Nelson: "Hold on, that's not what I dictated to Flags. What's the meaning of this?"

Hardy: "Sorry sir?"

Nelson (reading aloud): "England expects every person to do his or her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious persuasion or disability." "What gobbledygook is this?"

Hardy: "Admiralty policy, I'm afraid, sir. We're an equal opportunities employer now. We had the devil's own job getting 'England' past the censors, lest it be considered racist."

Nelson: "Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco."

Hardy: "Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated smoke-free work environments."

Nelson: "In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the main brace to steel the men before battle."

Hardy: "The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. It's part of the Government's policy on binge drinking."

Nelson: "Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we'd better get on with it – full speed ahead!"

Hardy: "I think you'll find that there's a 4 knot speed limit in this stretch of water."

Nelson: "Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the crow's nest please."

Hardy: "That won't be possible, sir."

Nelson: "What?"

Hardy: "Health and Safety have closed the crow's nest, sir. No harness. And they said that rope ladders don't meet regulations. They won't let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected."

Nelson: "Then get me the ship's carpenter without delay, Hardy."

Hardy: "He's busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the fo'c'sle, Admiral."

Nelson: "Wheelchair access? I've never heard anything so absurd."

Hardy: "Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a barrier-free environment for the differently abled."

Nelson: "Differently abled? I've only one arm and one eye and I refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn't rise to the rank of admiral by playing the disability card."

Hardy: "Actually, sir, you did. The Royal Navy is underrepresented in the areas of visual impairment and limb deficiency."

Nelson: "Whatever next? Give me full sail. The salt spray beckons."

Hardy: "A couple of problems there too, sir. Health and safety won't let the crew up the rigging without hard hats and sunscreen. And, they don't want anyone breathing in too much salt – haven't you seen the adverts?"

Nelson: "I've never heard such infamy. Break out the cannon and tell the men to stand by to engage the enemy."

Hardy: "Ah, the men are a bit worried about shooting at anyone, Admiral."

Nelson: "What? This is mutiny!"

Hardy: "It's not that, sir. It's just that they're afraid of being charged with murder if they actually kill anyone. There's a couple of legal-aid lawyers on board, watching everyone like hawks."

Nelson: "Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?"

Hardy: "Actually, sir, we're not."

Nelson: "We're NOT?"

Hardy: "No, sir. The French and the Spanish are our European partners now. According to the Common Fisheries Policy, we shouldn't even be in this stretch of water. We could get hit with a claim for compensation."

Nelson: "But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil."

Hardy: "I wouldn't let the ship's diversity coordinator hear you saying that sir. You'll be up on disciplinary report."

Nelson: "You must consider every man an enemy, who speaks ill of your King."

Hardy: "Not any more, sir. We must be inclusive in this multicultural age. Now put on your Kevlar vest; it's the rules. It could save your life"

Nelson: "Don't tell me – health and safety. Whatever happened to rum, sodomy and the lash?"

Hardy: As I explained, sir, rum is off the menu! And there's a ban on corporal punishment."

Nelson: "What about sodomy?"

Hardy: "I believe that is now legal, sir. Men can now get married and adopt children"

Nelson: "In that case . . . kiss me, Hardy."

TOPCAT21 Oct 2009 1:57 a.m. PST

Jeremy, Brilliant!!!!!

Keraunos21 Oct 2009 2:39 a.m. PST

I don't feel so bad about all my French ships sinking in last nights game now…

Supercilius Maximus21 Oct 2009 3:32 a.m. PST

To the Immortal Memory.

Personal logo ColCampbell Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2009 6:15 a.m. PST

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Come Cheer up m'lads tis to glory we steer
to add something more to this wonderful year
Tis to honor we call you as free men not slaves
for who are so free as the men of the waves
Hearts of Oak have are our ships
Hearts of Oak have our men
We always stand ready Steady boys Steady!
We shall conquer again and again!

Jim

Brigade of Guards21 Oct 2009 6:47 a.m. PST

22 nil what an away win

taskforce5821 Oct 2009 8:12 a.m. PST

The original signal was supposed to be "Nelson confides that every man will do his duty."


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Brigade of Guards21 Oct 2009 8:18 a.m. PST

Check out the Trafalgar Day battle quiz on the BBC News Homepage. Be ashamed if you don't get max points!

Martin Rapier21 Oct 2009 8:44 a.m. PST

Battle Quiz here:

link

featuring one of TMPs very favourite wars amongst all the others.

Actually I didn't get them all right. Oh the shame.

archstanton7321 Oct 2009 9:19 a.m. PST

Ha ha i got max points--As all good British Wargamers should!!!

Ivan the Reasonable21 Oct 2009 9:25 a.m. PST

Me too!

Calmarac21 Oct 2009 11:07 a.m. PST

This is the only mention of Trafalgar that I have seen today.

Well, ITV news has just finished with a report on the "Trafalgar Union Jack" auction. The flag flew on HMS Spartiate and was sold to an American bidder for a staggering £384,000. But they didn't bother to mention that today is the anniversary of the battle … bah!

Oh, and 7/7 in the quiz here too :0)

Swampster21 Oct 2009 11:16 a.m. PST

I've only just found out that Birmingham has an annual Trafalgar wreath laying ceremony on the closest Sunday to the anniversary.
I was impressed that with the rebuilding of the Bull Ring they put the statue of Nelson in a pretty prominent spot.

Guthroth21 Oct 2009 12:27 p.m. PST

The piece posted by made me laugh out loud, and actually made my son choke on his cup of tea !

7/7 for me on the quiz as well.

David Manley21 Oct 2009 12:31 p.m. PST

And an excellent day for the RN's latest Type 45 destroyer to enter the water too – can't wish for a better birthday for a warship :)

Shagnasty Supporting Member of TMP21 Oct 2009 1:13 p.m. PST

7/7 and only to guess one, the shortest war.

dasfrpsl21 Oct 2009 1:35 p.m. PST

Toasted the Immortal Memory at 5 past midnight this morning, in a bar near Barcelona. Hope the Spanish/Catalans didn't mind too much!

Fred Cartwright21 Oct 2009 1:46 p.m. PST

7/7 and only to guess one, the shortest war.

I had to guess that one too!

Last Hussar21 Oct 2009 2:24 p.m. PST

The reason Trafagar Day public holiday has never been followed up is because it would happen in October- not a great time to take the kids out!

archstanton7321 Oct 2009 2:56 p.m. PST

Hussar--The trouble is we do need another Bank Holiday and it should be in the Autumn---I think Nov 11th or nearest Monday should be a national holiday but apparently the Royal British Legion don't tink its appropriate……

Guthroth21 Oct 2009 11:52 p.m. PST

The question of a late year BH comes up every so often. The truth is that the last or 2nd last Monday in October would be perfect since it almost always coincides with half-term.

The problem – as I seem to remember – is that when the govt started looking for a suitable date some civil servant johnny went all PC over it and pointed out that it would inevitably end up being called Trafalgar day and that would upset the French … (Like most of us really care)

Hence no BH in October.

Martin Rapier22 Oct 2009 2:04 a.m. PST

I knew the shortest war one, I failed miserably on the last pitched battle though.

I'm glad that everyone is so up on The War of Jenkins Ear.

Fred Cartwright22 Oct 2009 10:09 a.m. PST

I'm glad that everyone is so up on The War of Jenkins Ear.

It has been mentioned quite a bit over recent years so I guess a lot of wargamers have heard of it.

Red358422 Oct 2009 1:16 p.m. PST

Aaaargh…6 out of 7.

..I'll get me coat….

britishlinescarlet222 Oct 2009 1:41 p.m. PST

I'm sure that I mentioned it last year but as a young Sea Scout I paraded on HMS Victory to commemorate Trafalgar day in the 1970's (and paraded in Church every other year). One of the most moving experiences of my life.

Pete

Palafox22 Oct 2009 1:50 p.m. PST

I'll join to the toast for the victors and Nelson but I'll also raise another one for the Spanish ones who lost but fought gallantly, Gravina, Churruca and Alcalá Galiano.

Whatisitgood4atwork22 Oct 2009 10:56 p.m. PST

A toast to our Lord Nelson, an incredibly brave and accomplished sailor. The word 'hero' is overused, but in this case is entirely fitting. His personal bravery was matched only by his tactical and leadership skills.

And while we are at it, a toast to his much-abused companion, Lady Emma Hamilton.

SJDonovan23 Oct 2009 8:55 a.m. PST

3 out of 7.

Ivan the Reasonable23 Oct 2009 10:49 a.m. PST

erm, well I must admit it, I had to guess three of them.

Steve Holmes 1123 Oct 2009 10:54 a.m. PST

My recollection of this holiday business is that it rears its head every couple of years.

In Scotland there's an argument put for St Andrew's day (Goodness knows why as it's inevitably cold and wet, I really think we could do with all our bank holidays ni one block at the end of May) But I digress badly.

Debate usually closes with a couple of chaps from the CBI who've jetted back from the Caymans announcing that one more holiday will break the back of British business.

Prevailing Winds23 Oct 2009 2:24 p.m. PST

why does the flag not go back to Victory??

Supercilius Maximus24 Oct 2009 4:15 a.m. PST

<<In Scotland there's an argument put for St Andrew's day (Goodness knows why as it's inevitably cold and wet, >>

Because in Scotland that's T-shirt and flip-flop weather.

Chouan24 Oct 2009 4:49 a.m. PST

"why does the flag not go back to Victory??"
Because it wasn't HMS Victory's flag.

Supercilius Maximus24 Oct 2009 7:48 a.m. PST

HMS Spartiate, I think.

archstanton7325 Oct 2009 9:59 a.m. PST

SM--Yes you are right..HMS Spatiates Union Jack…

danikine7404 Jan 2010 3:18 p.m. PST

6/7 in the quiz… not bad for a (beaten) spanish wargamer :)

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