"Ground control to Major Boris." Topic

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Lots of mystery there. Some gaming potential too, I would think. What if the cosmonauts are still alive and crashed into or were picked up by an alien ship?

And on and on.

the former USSR, NORMALLY used the genric term 'Cosmos/Kosmos' for any 'probe/spacecraft' that either failed, was lost or didn't do what it was supposed to do, thus implying it was a 'test shot'/experiment and NOT a failure..(failure is NOT an option, Comrad, though SIBERA certainly CAN be! from the soviet version of Apollo 13?)

If you google 'lost cosmonauts' there are a bunch of images and references showing group photos of russian 'cosmonauts' that have later been 'edited' (persons deleted) etc…which conspiriacy buffs love to believe is because of 'lost cosmonauts/failed missions, etc.

Some folks think it was because some 'fell out of favor' with the party, too much vodka or other 'health issues' but some mysteries still remain.

Officially only 4? cosmonauts (compared to Nasa's loss of two shuttle crews and Apollo One)…with one dying when his main parachute didn't open/capsule impacted in landing zone/ground at 400mph…and the second group from a Salyut-soyez mission were air valve opened and by time crew was on ground, (all automatically) they'd died of aphyxiation…

There are tapes, supposedly, of a female cosmonaut who suppossedly was in distress/reporting from her capsule as it re-entered and her heat-shield failed…'saying help, it's hot' or something to that effect…

There is also the 'sample return mission' lander that circled the moon/crashed about time of Apollo 11, that was speculated to be a 'manned lander'…(now believed to be a sample return effort/to beat the American team in returning soil samples from moon…which later craft DID manage to do)…

There were two ZOND circumlunar missions using 'unmanned' prototype Soyez spacecraft, but their version of the Saturn 5, (called the F-1) never had a 'successfull' flight longer than 70 seconds…and one blew up on pad, killing most of the ground crew and scientists!)…which sorta shut down their lunar program but there are tech specs for a one-man lunar lander and return ship on the web…(the usa had a program called 'the pilgrim project')..

It was the basis for the movie 'Countdown' with James Caan as a civilian astronaut sent to the moon in a modified, fusion of Gemini top state/lunar landing state…ONE-way…with supply landers to be sent up every 2 weeks or so? for a year till Apollo was ready to 'bring him home'…

Great movie by the way…and it featured a 'one-way?' lunar landar with TWO cosmonauts that crashed (and died) before he landed…and he took their flag and his and put them up SIDE by SIDE…

Anyway…are their 'Major Boris's, or female cosmos' still ENDLESSLY orbiting or 'on the moon' in one of the other 'failed probes' or even on Mars? (with Stalin's Brain???)…

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Then you can use your Horrorclix or other zombinauts….bwah-hah-ha!

Slish-in-spaaaaacccce
Sgt DWW-btod

Of course the US military send up secret Space Shuttle flights so may be they have also had some bad luck

Those Italians seem to be like the early computer builders in the USA
It is amazing what you can do with odds and ends if you have the brains!

I had forgotten "Countdown" I remember the other movie that was very like Appolo 13 with David Janson – just cannot think of it's name!

I hope the Greys did't get him! Imagine a decade of their hospitality!!!

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*Lots* of dead Cosmonaut rumors floating around out there – pun intended.

Some of those rumors and theories could *definitely* fuel scenarios for sci-fi, horror, pulp, Cthulhu, spy, superhero, Cold War, and other scenarios.

o The Cosmonauts were killed or space-napped by aliens. Do the Soviets or Americans send up another mission, this time armed? This could lead to a running fight on board the alien vessel. Or maybe the missing Cosmonaut turns up on Earth a few days later (or a few decades later), with no knowledge of how he (or she) got there. Has he been infected with some space bug? Has she been impregnated? Is he a doppelganger? Are his intentions "good' or "evil" (relatively speaking).

o They encountered one of the Cthulhu Mythos beasties in orbit. They return to Earth and are seemingly normal, but are they secretly working to raise Cthulhu?

o Radiation or a solar flare knocked the capsule out of orbit and it landed in a small town or village. Now the insane, mutated, irradiated, infectious, or gigantic Cosmonauts are on a murderous rampage across the countryside.

o Communication is lost and the capsule comes down in some remote area. Soviet, US, and other military forces rush to the area to recover the capsule (shades of "Ice Station Zebra").

o "Something" happened up there, and the Sovet and US space programs are far too under-developed to launch a rescue mission. Professor Weltschmertz has been working on his own highly advanced rocket in secret, and he decides it's time to "come out of the closet" and go bring back those brave men before their oxygen gives out.

o Cosmonauts (or astronauts) in trouble? This looks like a job for Superman! While attempting to rescue the men from the capsule, a Soviet or US team of superheroes discovers the attack was the work of aliens bent on taking over the Earth.

o The Soviets are hiding something, and it's up to Secret Agent X-9 to get to the bottom of it and reveal the truth to the world.

Like I said, *lots* of scenarios hiding "up there."

That might help to explain a flash or two on the moon, during the US moon missions, and/or some of the edited sections of photos on the moon.

Then again, maybe they are editing out US equipment there instead.

I don't WANT to believe any of this, but it has a chilling ring of truth.

Where would the U.S. military launch secret shuttle missions from?

Just off of the New Jersey turnpike.

Good point, Garnhamghast: The confusion was cleared up in a recent copy of Air&Space magazine form the Smithsonian. "Secret" USAF missions do occur on standard shuttle flights, mostly involving small experiments with covert communications equipment – basically, someone gets an envelope that they open at a certain time to perform a task using something loaded on board. Compared to 20mm cannons being test-fired off of Soviet/Russian satellites, this seems pretty small fry. Though the 'tin-foil hat brigade' love to claim the shuttle is military and laced with self-destruct charges, the only lasting military part of the STS was the delta wings for manouvreing from Soviet fighters, which compromised its utility BTW for many tasks. USAF space projects usually take plavce from Vandenburg on Delta VII launchers and are unmanned.

Of course, the USAF *wnated* a space program for everything from materials technology to surveillance; They offered to purchase 12 more Gemini capsules for sharing with one Nasa astronaut and one USAF pilot ( The 'Blue Gemini' project), and serving the Manned Orbiting Laboratory (MOL), and of course the X24 DynaSoar spaceplane for testing the dynamic soaring principles . . . But the USAF had to turn the budget to replacing the U2 and buying all those bombs for the Cambodia carpet bombing – hence, all the claims that for ordering that last act, the kudos for keeping space a peaceful place goes to that great hero Richard Nixon. :)

so there's a BOOK with ALL those details about ships that are STILL 'up there' or beyond earth orbit…(moon orbit/crashed?)

I would assume that most early 'orbital' failures that weren't suborbital…would have normally 'de-orbited' by now.

Especially capsules that either didn't 'seperate' from their final stage, as one 'lost flight' was listed or were in 'standard 3-orbit/LEO' orbits…(under 300 Nautical Miles altitude).

Even 'accidental' translunar flights (or intentional) as were mentioned…doing a 'free-return'/figure 8 orbit would have returned (with crew alive or dead)…re-entering at 24,000mph plus…fast enough to destroy un-controlled craft as the 're-entry window' is so narrow that craft would either skip off atmosphere or belly flop and shatter/burn-up even with best heat shield tech.

While I can 'imagine' one-way orbital or even lunar missions (how many animals like Laika the dog did they or even we shoot into one-way flights)…making it a 'habit' would play havoc with 'morale' one would think and missions FURTHER than that…(like Venus or Mars?) I believe were TECHNICALLY unfeasible, even with the monster boosters they had (and still use for Soyez!) before the F-1

Of course…the first soviet Venus probe was designed for an 'ocean landing' with what was THOUGHT to be an ocean world at the time?

Considering the size of the first US space probes…36 ounces for Vanguard or a little more with the Explorer 1, and soviet probes after Sputnik 1 were a TON or more…

A ton in same altitude orbit as a 'grapefruit' (unless a flat size/hi-drag configuration), would overcome the minimal 'air-drag' because of it's mass.

Will we EVER know the 'truth' or is 'The TRUTH is out there', LITERALLY and will we ever know? Ships outside of regular earth orbit…not in lunar orbit would be in their own 'solar orbits' or possibly bounced into orbits to send them further in towards the sun or further out towards Mars…

And if they got 'intercepted' by 'greys'….or other THINGS…maybe we will find an 'alien-human' base on/under Mars or even the moon? Or maybe they're already 'here' in Antartica?

Though I suspect, knowing what we know about bone-loss/microgravity and radiation issues…I'd bet a moonbase or Mars base more likely….as once adapted to those worlds, earth gravity, etc…maybe even 'immunology' to Earth bacteria or vice versa? would be 'compromised'…

We know several shuttle flights have been secret 'DOD' payloads…(probably satellites)…and as far as we know all of them have come back…(the shuttles that is!)

"unmanned" launches from Canaveral for equitorial or Vandenburg for polar, etc…usually were for BIG BIRD and other recon etc…

But the tech was developed for Gemini Blue, Dyna-Soar, etc….and it WAS/is? workable…so who knows???

I'd like to think the USA wouldn't 'cover up' that sort of thing…(considering what finally leaked about watergate, Iran-contra etc)…or that they COULDN'T…forever? (then there is Area 51/S-9/Groom Lake…that we 'know' of)…

Maybe 'Stargate SG-1' parodying itself with Wormhole X-treme is a parody of a parody of MISINFORMATION…Disinformation and plausable deniability?

*sigh…I'm just a humble bartentacle though and looking for pulp sf-game fodder….with a bit of 'semi-plausibility/less fuzzy science than average SyFy MOVIE of the WEEK' etc…' You KNOW the ones I mean!?

Slishfully and not 'lost in space, yet'..
Sgt DWW-btod

Hey that's a laugh. Could make for some good gaming scenarios.

Just off of the New Jersey turnpike.

Y'know…5 PM rush hour on a Friday and I bet no one would notice it…at least between Elizabeth and Newark/Jersey City!

First post I ever read from DWW is the second posting in this thread…some good info there…Thanks.

See what happens when you scale down from 50K words a post to only 1K…people actually read your junque (and learn something too)!

That audio from the Italian brothers is creepy stuff. But is it real?