| Crusaderminis | 29 Sep 2009 8:05 a.m. PST |
Does anyone know where there is a reliable OB for this battle? I've searched all the main sites that I know of and can find casulaty lists but not the actual strength of units engaged! Any help would be appreciated. |
| jrbatso | 29 Sep 2009 8:34 a.m. PST |
OOB is easy. Total Casualties is easy but regimental strength and losses will take some digging. USA:
link
CSA:
link |
| avidgamer | 29 Sep 2009 8:58 a.m. PST |
Didn't SPI make a TSS style game of this? Or was that Cedar Mountain? |
| avidgamer | 29 Sep 2009 9:01 a.m. PST |
I would start with Battles and Leaders, then the Stackpole book and next try Lee's Lieutenant's. If you come up with nothing from these then… the Time/Life book might have something perhaps. |
Col Durnford  | 29 Sep 2009 9:22 a.m. PST |
Jrbatso, Good link. Check the link on the References for more info from the Offical Histories. |
| Dan Beattie | 29 Sep 2009 9:48 a.m. PST |
The standard reference, which may have the regimental strengths, is The Official Records of the War of the Rebellion. Also check Robert Krick's "Conquering the Valley"
and Robert Tanner's "Stonewall in the Valley" (2nd Edition). |
| CORebel | 29 Sep 2009 5:57 p.m. PST |
A better book to read on the Battle is Stonewall Jackson by Dr. James "Bud" Robertson. Dr. Robertson teaches at Virginia Tech and is the number one authority on the Valley Campaign and Stonewall Jackson. Another great source of info is General Jackson's Shenendoah Campaign by Gary Cockrell and Tony Sestito, publish by American Eagle Games.It does list regimental strenghts for each battle of that campaign.I have a copy. The Wiki link for the OOB for Cross Keys is wrong. |
| Crusaderminis | 29 Sep 2009 10:16 p.m. PST |
Thanks for the help though I couldnt find anything from official records online other than – as I say – casualties. I've done a search for the book you mentioned rebel222 but can't even find American Eagle Games or the authors let alone the book you mention. I'm guessing it wasn't a best seller – shame as it sounds like exactly what I was after! Thanks anyway |
| Col Durnford | 30 Sep 2009 5:38 a.m. PST |
From Jrbatso's link. It you didn't already do it, check the link on the References at the bottom of the page for more info from the Offical Histories. It has lots on orginal battle reports with some unit strengths. link |
| BF Mark | 01 Oct 2009 10:19 a.m. PST |
Sometimes you can put together an OB with regimental strengths by going through the reports in the OR. Brigadiers and regimental commanders will sometimes state how many men were present when giving the number of casualties. Not everyone does this, and not everyone files a report, so you usually have to come up with an estimate for other regiments. I do this (and dig in other resources) for every scenario we design for Regimental Fire and Fury, but I enjoy it. I realize it resembles work or a college assignment to most people. Mark |
| Last Rebel | 01 Oct 2009 1:45 p.m. PST |
Fremont-@ 11,500 troops with appx.684 casualities,
Ewell – @58oo troops with appx. 287 casualites The 74th Pa infantry was @ 400 men. The 8th NY @ 548,with 250 casualites in 15 minutes. Try civilwar.org and pull up the map for the battle. May find some useful info. Hope this may help |
