"Wyatt Earp Replica Gun" Topic

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Just wondering if anyone had bought this and if they would recommend it. I am considering buying it as a display piece/costume piece but the high price is making me wary. It looks very nice but if it is innacurate I would have to withold on principle. (I think.)

Thanks,
ALV

Haven't seen that particular replica, but here's the real thing and it's not too expensive!

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I saw some Colt Navy pistols awhile back, and they looked quite nice, and very reasonably priced.

Granted, they aren't one of those newfangled modern revolvers, but it will do the job, and are an excellent deal price-wise:

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I didn't realize you could get these so cheaply. Cool!

Thanks,

John

Very nice, but a problem if you live in a part of the world where you can own a replica, but owning a real gun lands you in Her Majesty's prisons

Did not realize the prices for handguns – thanks for the info

Yes, I can see that is a problem.

Glad our forefathers were smart enough to include that right in our Constitution, but some are still plotting to try to take that away.

Thanks. Those ball-and-caps are tempting. They were good enough for Hickhock…

interesting definition of 'cheaply'…

Glad our forefathers were smart enough to include that right in our Constitution, but some are still plotting to try to take that away.

I think you're safe with the recent supreme court decisions. And our rights were safe before that too. And they will remain safe. This is a very stable country, no matter who's in charge. The current sky-is-falling attitude some have is quite amusing and mostly due to fear of the color brown.

Also, I've got working replica cap and ball .32 navy and .45 army pistols hanging in my dining room. They are awesome and always start conversation when new company comes over. They weren't very expensive.

Also, I've got working replica cap and ball .32 navy and .45 army pistols hanging in my dining room.

Unless they are conversions, the Army model is a .44 and the Navy model is a .36.

>I think you're safe with the recent supreme court decisions. And our rights were safe before that too. And they will remain safe. This is a very stable country, no matter who's in charge.<

LOL. You're kidding, right? You should live in New Jersey where even sling shots are illegal.

Unless they are conversions, the Army model is a .44 and the Navy model is a .36

Of course they are, you are right. Not enough coffee this morning. Can't keep my calibers straight.

You should live in New Jersey…

No thanks!

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I have 5 .44 and 3 .36s! Under federal law, they aren't "guns", they are "relics and curios". I have seen replica .36 navies as cheap as 150, and most 44s, as replicas, in the 200 range.

The only federal interest is with guns who have modern ammo available. I asked an ATF guy at a gun show why black powder and cap and ball weren't "guns". He said "limited funding, no one has used one in a bank robbery since 1927".

Rocky

Actually, curios and relics refer to a class of weapon that has collector interest. The first entry on the list is "Any military bolt action rifle built before 1950 in its original configuration" (IIRC). guns made before 1898 are considered antiques and aren't regulated by the BATFE at all (other than the definition). Reproduction weapons that don't use cartridges are (legally) considered the same as antiques.

Ha, you got it easy.

I can have a fully functional 1873 model lever action, now this is a dangours weapon, you got 12 round of quite lethal ammo. easly able to kill sevral people with out reloading, but as long as it's an original I don't need any permist or anything.

BUT if I got the exact same gun works the exact same way, BUT it's a replica I have not only to have a permit and lisence but I have to lock the gun up in a gun safe.

Same gun, works the same way, same lethality, one made in 1880 can have on the wall no need for a permit, other gun made in 2003 have to lock it up in a safe.

If that not bad enough the same rules aply for muzzle loaders, thats right, if I buy a replica springfield 1861 I have to lock it up in a safe and I need a permit to buy it.

It's a ING musket, I get 3 rounds a minute, who are you going to kill with it, can you imagien going on a killing spree with a musket?
A pocket knife is 10 times as deadly in a modern sociaty

Guys

Federal Law doesn't matter at all where state laws can make things just as difficult for gun owners, if not worse.

In the state of New Jersey if you want to own an 18th century flintlock pistol, which in NJ is classified fully as a pistol whether original or a replica, and treated exactly like a Colt .45 automatic or a Smith & Wesson 9mm, you must:

1- Apply for and obtain a Firearms ID card from your county. This requires a State Police background check and takes a couple of months.

2- Then you must apply for a Pistol Purchase Permit, which must go through the same background check as the Firearms ID Card and takes approximately 3 months.

3- When you have obtained your Firearms ID card and your Pistol Purchase Permit you may go ahead and begin the purchase process to obtain the flintlock pistol, but first the seller must call in to a designated state point of contact for a National Instant Criminal Background Check (NICS) for clearance.

All of this so that you can't hold up a convenience store or go gang banging with a flintlock. LOL

Furthermore, you must obtain a Firearms ID Card if you want to own a Red Ryder BB gun just like Ralphie's in "A Christmas Story". I am *not* kidding. Spring operated BB guns in NJ are classified as "firearms" and require the same background check and NICS check when you purchase it.

So, the sky is not falling…it already fell! And I'm much less afraid of "the color brown" as I am of the color Red. (-:

Dude, you live in the wrong state. Repeat after me three times "West of the Mississippi, East of the Rockies." Then make it happen…

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Actually, nearby pennsylvania has similar laws to most of the western states.

R

Rocky

I've been a border jumper for years. I belong to a gun club in Easton PA. I just wanted to point out to Hexenhammer that some sections of the country are removing gun owner rights as fast as they possibly can. "Gamer With No Name" should pay close attention to the laws in his state before buying any sort of machine that looks even *vaguely* like a firearm. California and New York and Massachusetts are also a pain in the posterior in this regard as well.

I live in Texas so I am not particlarly worried. :) Thanks for the heads up though Shadow. I just bought a replica Colt Navy 1861 on ebay for $60 USD USD so it's too late anyway.

>I just bought a replica Colt Navy 1861 on ebay for $60 USD USD USD<

You probably noticed that "Blondie" uses a cartridge version of the Colt 1861 Navy in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly", but no such pistol was ever produced by Colt. Although there are other kinds of conversions that I know of i'm not sure if any were converted from C&B to cartridge exactly that way, , but Aldo Uberti, who made the one for the movie, produced several *exactly* like the movie version for sale to the public with the option to buy one with a rattlesnake on the grip as well. The one without the rattlesnake is sold out. I've been looking for one for quite some time.

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Not produced by colt, I have seen several period conversions, mostly rimfire of the Navy.

Rocky

Cool Shadow,
Actually I did not know that. I was drawn to the gun because it was in my opinion better looking than the 51 or even the 60. I also knew it was Hardin's weapon of choice so I thought it would be a good conversation piece. Good luck with your search for Blondie's gun. I suppose you could always pick up one of these and then glue a rattler piece on it. I will have a look for one.

A little trivia the gun handle (which he also used in the other Dollars Trilogy films) was the same handle that Clint used on Rawhide. His boots were the same also.

Thanks,
ALV

To me the 51 navy is the ultimate cap & ball revolver pure beuty.

Gamer,
The Wyatt Earp Replica came out nigh on 20 years ago from the Franklin Mint. Back then it cost $400. USD It is pretty, but I have two of the Ubertis in .45 Long Colt.
Count Natokina.

Thanks Count. I may end up getting it, it is a nice piece.

"The Wyatt Earp Replica came out nigh on 20 years ago from the Franklin Mint. Back then it cost $400. USD USD It is pretty, but I have two of the Ubertis in .45 Long Colt".

I'm starting to see them used for "Cowboy Action" competiton in my area. One fella explained that he likes it for the "break open" feature which allows for a faster re-load.

They are a lot faster than my 1875 Remingtons.
Count Natokina.

>They are a lot faster than my 1875 Remingtons.<

I've been shooting .45 Long Colt ammo, but I'm thinking of buying a pair of "tuned" Vaqueros in .38 special as I understand that 70% of CAS shooters are using that caliber now. Cheaper to buy ammo when I don't feel like reloading too. I'm also considering buying another Government model .45 Auto to shoot in the new "Wild Bunch" category that's gaining popularity. I already have a Winchester '97 shotgun.

Here in MN I need a permit from the police to purchase a hand gun (pistol). For a long gun I only need the federal background check. Yet the state classifies the 'cap and ball' revolver as a non-gun and requires no paperwork on the grounds, presumably, that they are not dangerous. Obviously our lawmakers slept through the state history class on the James/Younger raid on Northfield.

There is a story that Wyatt Earp received the Colt Butline revolver with the 16" barrel.

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There is some doubt as to the truth of this story.

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there has always been doubt. In fact, few guns have a known venue as this.

R

Apparently the authorities know almost nothing of Western history. Hardin, Hickhock, and of course the James gang were all very deadly and they used ball and caps.

I think the law things more about people going postal or using weapons in gang warfare, not single murders, as a knife is just as effective as killig your wife over a divoce settelment.
After all if you deicde to shoot up the local school you probebly won't use a 6 shot revolver that takes 5 minutes to reload.
But if a couple of people stat to shoot burglers with a cap & ball guns in states were guns laws a stric and percussion guns are the only awalible guns then the lawmakers might try and close the loophole

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The sorts who know these pieces and try to aquire them are the group not represented in gun crimes.

There are collectors in the US of armored vehicles, migs and, of course, legal machine guns, none have ever been used in a crime.

Most used? .22s!

Rocky

I think .22s and .25s constutie something like 60% of all killing(legal and ilegal)

The .25s are a weired caliber, as you don't find it outside the states, the caliber has no place in sports and so other countries don't juse them.

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Actually, you do, these are the 6mm pistol rounds in Europe. I think the early Bond stories have him carrying one. I haven't read bond in 40 years, but I seem to remember a whole discussion in one about his usueless baretta and the forceable replacement with a slightly better 32.

Rocky

>I haven't read bond in 40 years, but I seem to remember a whole discussion in one about his usueless baretta and the forceable replacement with a slightly better 32.<

That was in "From Russia With Love". The armorer replaced Bond's .25 Beretta with a 7.65 Walther PPK and also included a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver for when "something bigger is required".

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And Matt Helm carried the 5 shot .38 S&W airweight which is a beast to shoot as well.

So, gunfreek, perhaps it is just Scandinavia that no longer sells this calibre. Better than nothing, I suppose.

R

The Walther is the only "european" gun I know that shoots 6.35/.25ACP and as it's a realy bad shooters caliber you don't find it, as all guns in norway are for sport only, not self protection, you never have old ladys with a .25 in their nightstand.

I have seen walthers at the range but they are all 7.65, but that it's much better, but the .25 is just a bad version of .22LR, the .22LR is a very good sport caliber, and the standard for all high end pistol sports. like in the olympics

The reason Bond liked the Beretta in such a small caliber is because it's slim lines didn't leave a bulge in his tux. Seriously. (-:

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22 is the oldest continuious "modern" production round. But the 25 isnt a bad version of the 22. Being used in target shooting has a different motive than "good or bad".

In actual fact, the 25 is better in the respect that it is less likely to misfire than the .22 rimfire.

Rocky

I carried an S&W Model 15 in Nam. It was a nice shooter, but for knocking down a charging Moro or almost anything else, very little beats the .45 in either Long Colt or ACP.
Count Natokina.

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My grandfather was in the Philippines for "that story" and as a kid, I disbelieved it! Then when I lived in the PI and constantly heard the same story..and as with experience as s shooter, changed my mind!

But I prefer 44/40!

Grin

Rocky