"What IF Washington DC Was NUKED???" Topic

My minis are radiation proof and will survive. The heat might be a problem.

Oh ya pass the popcorn.

Jeffrsonk: "Still not seeing the game ideas here."

It may seem that way. But a little imagination can go a long way. There's always a gaming idea or two behind everything.

If people in other forums can discuss how to make the 1998 film "The Siege" (about a terrorist attack on NY) into a game, why not this (a terrorist attack on DC)?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Siege
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Same goes for "Red Dawn" and other hypothetical situations.

There's a game in everything, just waiting to be discovered.

CC

carloslabs.com/node/16

28mmMan,

That is too cool!

CC

Hmm, DC gets nuked, USA will definitely survive, 15K dead seems very modest 1m more likely? But someone is surely gonna pay BIG-time. And not necessarily the country responsible!

A couple of thoughts –

If you were, for the sake of argument, Al Quaeda with one big shiny nuke to play with- what's your target list? Tel Aviv, DC, New York, LA, London, Paris? Considering it might be extra-tricky to smuggle a nuke into Israel and fairly tricky into USA.

OK so what's with the whole US catastrophe thing where everyone loots Qwick-E-Mart then heads to the hills laden down by 0.5 cal MGs and a wide assortment of sidearms? I must admit to having met a few Americans and they're not all psychotic survivalists.

The SOP is surely to trust your government at times of severe tragedy, otherwise you're fatally weakened. Do you have so little faith in your democratically-elected representatives? (OK politicians are politicians everywhere so really don't answer that, but they are us at bottom, and though they may be lying cheating spinning SOBs -our's certainly are- I still think they would do the right thing in a real crisis, not some pernickety accounting error such as the current financial arsefest, but a REAL crisis).

The key to surviving a time of disaster is the simple virtue of co-operation. Consider the beauty of the common British queue (and not just us Brits, the Russkies know the score too). Calm, fair, no shouting or carrying on, no demands for extra mayo, or less onions, no pushing-in and that, there may even be a nice cup of tea.

I firmly believe that you Yanks are selling yourselves short and no matter what may come you will crack on and sort it out in no time. Look at New York.

Sorry if not very post-apoc scenario-esque.

(Keep calm and carry on)

PS must avoid this particular Scotch in future ;-)

Just for grins…I dropped an asteroid on the South Pole.

Pretty much instantly destroys the whole of Antarctica…but being made of ice, more than a mile thick at some points, it would make a hell of a mess…giant Earth flavored slushee.

Curious as the results of the aftermath…maybe 1/2 or 1/4 size of the one available for the above site?

mmmm cupa' tea sounds good…

Timbo,

Yes. 15k is too small a number. That's probably why many here are downplaying the overall impact of the attack:

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CC

No General that was sincere and understood the vow he/she took upon commissioning would consider it. And any officer that would go back on their vow isn't worth following--because they are a liar!

DAMNED STRAIGHT! and if the oath that every enlisted member takes upon joining the armed forces was taken sincerely, i would say that any officer conssidering a dictatorship "for the good of the country" would have a short run indeed. . . .

also, i am with JACK SQUINT and LERMONTOV about the gaming possibilities discussed here so far. . .

another thing, to think about while we are casually discussing a mere 15000 dead within a a mater of seconds;

a. everyone here that has actually seen anyone die a violent death, or has taken a human life in combat raise your hand?

b. how many folks here have never witnessed a violent death or taken a human life in combat raise their hands?

i raise my hand under category a above.

what about the rest of y'all?

DAWGIE pretty much turned off by the way this discussion is going . . .

I appreciate and respect your opinion and candor, Dawgie.

CC

Agree CC,

and why only 10 kT? Reasonable for a suitcase device but wildly underpowered for a proper warhead borrowed from Sov ICBM, which may or may not be likely depending on whom one believes (I'll go with not likely, but only cos I think it would have already happened if it was going to).

The real moral of the scenario is of course – buy more figures- that lead shielding might come in handy one day!

Meanwhile on the obviously far more important subject of tea, explained jolly well, I believe, via the somewhat unique medium of British Rap over by here-

b3ta.com/links/181803

Amalgamating both strands of thought can only lead to the most dire and apocalyptic predictions, such as the UK Government had to consider as a worst-case scenario during the Cold War -

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Frankly the end of civilization, no coming back from that sort of thing. Dark times indeed my friends, dark times.

(EDIT -oops arsebiscuits – crosspost – DAWGIE is obviously 100% correct and if I have treated this thread in a lighter vein than is tasteful I apologise, but even during a wry and superficial semi-comedic commentary it doesn't do to under-estimate the cataclysmically bad effect of even a modest modern-day nuke on a city)

Funny how we can talk about gaming America 100 or more years after an apocalyptic event that causes a breakup of the nation, but we can't discuss gaming something more realistic.

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

CC

By John OFM
>>I would suggest that if they REALLY wanted to screw us, they should wait until the current POTUS is out of town, and THEN nuke DC.<<

Could you imagine the conspiracy theories that would generate?

As for gaming. Could make a scenario where the terrorists fight it out with secret service before nuke goes off. But scenario design is not my forte

CC,

i would not find a discussion about this possibility offensive if it had actually produced some gaming ideas for folks to play with, it is just that it went what what began as your thread into something completely different.

it became political with all of the overtones of a group of jerks standing around making comments about how rape is not really a bad thing. . .

i just wish the topic had been "processed" differently by some of the folks that responded to the question you posed.

i always look forward to reading your posts; i have read some truly interesting stuff following many of your questions, and have to admit that i have often had similiar thoughts that i developed into game scenarios, or rules for campaigns.

DAWGIE

WORD UP!

DC has been nuked, and you are one of the ba-zillions of average joe/jolenes living in the DC-NORTHERN VA-SOUTHERN MARYLAND suburbs.
temperarily everything has "fallen" apart. scum has risen to the occassion and is doing its worst amidst the radioactive fallout, thousands of survivors are fleeing the district, and local government/ law enforcement/rescue/medical/communications and media services have failed.

this happened while you were doing your normal daily thing; immediate resources available to you are what you have on your person, home or work place. you are not injured. assuming that you were at home you have the following items (if you were there) and have followed these guidelines from your government faithfully, you have:

(the below list is not something i made up; it is verbatim from the official COMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA DISASTER PREPAREDNESS LIST that i was given as part of my "welcome wagon" kit when i moved into northern VA a couple of months back.

1 gal of water per person per day for 3-5 days (1/2 for drinking, 1/2 for cooking and sanitation).

3-5 day supply of non-perishable food per person (requiring minimal water, no refridegeration, or cooking) and a manual can-opener.

prescription and non prescription medications.

pre-packed first aide kit.

extra eyeglasses or contact lenses-apparently you do not need your false teeth to munch on granola bars!

a non disclosed amount of cash money in small bills, traveler's checks, and your credit card.

extra car keys in a waterproof container.

originals of important documents-in a safe place.

emergency phone numbers.

games, toys, books, pet supplies(food, water, carrier), comfort/care items uniques to the elderly/disabled, and infants. another set of extra keys.

one complete change of clothing and sturdy footwear per person, one sleeping bag or two blankets per person.

toilet paper, sanitary napkins/products, soap, garbage bags, zip-loc plastic bags, 5 gal plastic bucket with lid, disinfectant, pre-moistened towelettes.

battery-powered radio/flashlight, extra bulbs/lenses, call letters/dials setting for your local radio EMERGENCY ALERT SYSTEMS stations taped on your radio and tv.

wrenches, duct tape, utility knife, road map, cell phone, and whistle.

NOTE; rotate food and water every six months.

scary, huh?

now go for your sci fi scenario with this or what ever you have on your person or at work. i am interested to see what folks will do with this.

DAWGIE

<g> Grumbles…. </g>

If DC got nuked then I would be really screwed… time to find another job, another house, I'll probably have to deal with an unreal commute, again! And all that radiation would totally screw-up the paint job on my minis!!!!!

But on the other hand, if I didn't die immediately, I wouldn't have to worry about payroll deductions for a while!!

Oh yeah, I'm sure the rest of the country would go on just fine, but for those of us who LIVE in the areas surrounding DC… not so much! There probably would be a lot of chaos and civil distubances. It would be interesting to take out THW's Haven supplement (for ATZ) and play some of the scenaros in there but without the zombies! Maybe replace zombies with rioters/looters and off you go! Would the residents of cordoned off areas stay in place? If the cops are too rough on the local populace then will the on-coming ANGs and RA's be able to deal with them?

Another interesting idea would be to take the Day 1 scenario and tweek it to, again, take out the zombies and replace them with rioters/looters and try it out. What do you do first? Grab the wife and kids? Get a gun? Get food? Bail out of town? Could be a lot of fun finding out.

Miniature wise, if you're doing 15mm, then Rebel Minis can come to the rescue with their line of civvies, rioters, thugs, and new cops (one even has a doughnut!). Your GIs can come from Peter Pig or other sources. Lots of paper urban terrain out there too.

Guys, this is interesting . . . there were simultaneous arrests of terrorists in four locations yesterday (?): Denver, Sprinfield IL, New York and Dallas.
I guess DC seems well-guarded right now, or any arrests there are being kept under wraps.

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Dawgie/Tgunner,

I think you hit the nail on the head. There are really two separate discussion issues related to such an event:

A) The nightmare related to emergency response, looting control and establishing shelters and points of distribution for food and other necessities. These are absolute certainties but, other than skirmish scenarios between law enforcement/MPs and looters, not much gaming. Dealing solely with logistic issues will not do for most; and

B) The overall lasting effects to the nation. Will it disrupt civil government and cause a military rule? That is what no one is certain about, but where we all have different opinions. However, for gaming purposes, a political breakdown (into regions) offers the most scenario potential (with all sorts of competing military commands, paramilitaries, rogues, scavengers, etc.). However, the idea of a fragmented nation in the near future seems so offensive to some, that they can't get past their political views and see this as only a hypothetical situation with gaming potential.

Oh well. You can lead a horse to water, but . . .

CC

CC

"Still not seeing the game ideas here."

I did make a few:

shoot the looters
map/discussion game around dealing with the disaster
discussion game covering responses to the attack
map/discussion/matrix/spy whatever game about hunting for the perpetrators

scary, huh?

No. It's the exact same thing they hand out before hurricanes hit (I know, I helped write one).

what about the rest of y'all?

Not sure how this has any bearing at all on the discussion (though I am in category A)- one doesn't have had to seen death to be able to rationally discuss the impact of the scenario, even though it would be a tremendous human tragedy first and foremost.

However, the idea of a fragmented nation in the near future seems so offensive to some, that they can't get past their political views and see this as only a hypothetical situation with gaming potential.

It has *nothing* to do with political views in the least- what we're saying is that the destruction of DC will not produce the scenario you are looking for- you'd need an incident on a much grander scale to actually break up the nation. Just attacking DC is likely to pull the nation closer together, not drive it to pieces.

-Will

You know I went to sleep on 9/11 fully expecting to wake up on 9/12 to find the world had a radioactive hole in it somewhere…

Nah, it wasn't a WMD attack, policy is no-go on limited conventional attacks.

However, the idea of a fragmented nation in the near future seems so offensive to some, that they can't get past their political views and see this as only a hypothetical situation with gaming potential.

Not offensive, just vanishingly unlikely.

If you're looking for gaming potential, why not just make the scenario more plausible?
-Kle.

- KATIEL: "You know I went to sleep on 9/11 fully expecting to wake up on 9/12 to find the world had a radioactive hole in it somewhere…"

- KLEBERT: "Nah, it wasn't a WMD attack"

Well, that's just hindsight Klebert. On 9/12 we still didn't know if something else would follow the plane attacks. Like KatieL, when we went to bed that night/morning most of us were really expecting "the other shoe to drop".

- KLEBERT: "what we're saying is that the destruction of DC will not produce the scenario you are looking for- you'd need an incident on a much grander scale to actually break up the nation. Just attacking DC is likely to pull the nation closer together, not drive it to pieces."

As unrealistic as it may be (which is why I posted this on SF), for the sake of gaming, let's just assume a breakup IS the end result . . .

**** What geographical divisions do you think would be formed? In other words, how would the map look?

**** And what sort of military resources would each of those divisions have?

Here are some examples (from tv and film):

In the 1990 film "The Handmaid's Tale", the Republic of Gilead seemed to be just one of several US territories competing for control within the former borders of the US:

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And, among other states, it seemed to have had control of the Dakotas.

The 1987 mini-series "Amerika" has the nation divided into about a dozen mini-nations in a loose alliance:

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And I'm not quite sure if the sections resisting the Soviets/Cubans/Nicaraguans in the 1984 film "Red Dawn" actually developed into independent nations or not. I do recall a mention of "Free America" territories.

Of course, the awful 1985 Chuck Norris film "Invasion USA" would never have considered any fragmentation of the nation. :)

- KLEBERT: "If you're looking for gaming potential, why not just make the scenario more plausible?"

What would you suggest? I'm curious. Thanks.

CC

Wow. This is a weird breakup:

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And I had not seen this Orson Scott Card novel before:

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CC

"15k is too small a number"

It is 50% instant fatalities within half a mile of the impact point. This is not a big nuke, in fact it is a tiny nuke. There will be a lot more fatal casualties in the coming hours, days and weeks though.

I do take Dawgies point about it being distasteful to casually dismiss 15 thousand deaths, but sadly in disaster planning you have to be detached, although that isn't an excuse to be flippant about it. When I first started looking at this sort of thing a few decades ago, it was calculating how much to spend on flood defences versus the probability of the defences being overtopped versus the expected loss of life if the defences were breached. The only way to make the calculations work is to assign a monetary value to human lives, which is really quite grim.

I'll put my hand up to A as well if that makes any difference.

Funny how we can talk about gaming America 100 or more years after an apocalyptic event that causes a breakup of the nation, but we can't discuss gaming something more realistic.

Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

No. It doesn't boggle. I'm not an emotional stakeholder in a fantasy or sci-fi game scenario. I'm just an observer to a very fictional setting, enjoying some escapism.

Any realistic thoughts on the ramifications of a plausible modern terrorist event to make a "What if?" game scenario belongs somewhere other than the Sci-fi board, IMHO. YMMV.

How can disaster planners possibly prepare to handle the aftermath of an atomic attack when they can't even cope with DC's normal rush hour traffic???

The same goes for evacuation plans. How long would it really take to evacuate a major metropolitan area? Days or weeks of gridlock ensue!!

Well,
I'll watch..being a Twilight 2000 fan, but I am six blocks from the WH perimeter…so chances are, even with the smallest nuke? I am toast. Then again, I work in Bethesda…so if I am at work when it happens..I will be ok. The Mrs, she won't be so lucky either way.

As for evacing? I hate to say it folks…but DC is New Orleans without the levees. We finally have a mayor that's reasonably honest and competent, but when they told us to look for DC Statehood signs as evac rout markers? I couldn't find a one. I have my own plans to get out if the target is elsewhere, and IMHO, I think it will be, because of the fact security is tighter here and NYC. But in the wake of an attack? God help us….The rest of the nation's gonna be fine..but downtown will be a royal mess.

THE scary part of the disaster plan handout as far as i am converned that you are placing your life n the hands of governmental agencies that failed miserably when confronted with two catastrophic hurricanes (BUSH 1 and BUSH II). the ground detonation of even a 10k nuke will result in the deaths of far more than 15,000 folks mentioned.

there will probably another 30, 000 with injuries ranging from life threatening to serious scattered about the area even as the mushroom cloud is boiling skyward.

more death will follow from radiation sickness among those exposed during the blast, and more will follow as a result of radiation sickness resulting from fallout. radiation sickness deaths will not be restricted to the geographic area of DC, either.

the ensuing panicky flight attempts, rioting, arson, and looting will see still more death and injuries.

in the immediate aftermath there are not enough civil or military medical facilities or transport to handle the numbers of injured and dying ( probably along the entire east coast).

then we tally those that die from heart attacks and chronic illness when the iinfrastructure fails: no power, no water, no telephone, etc.

local federal, state, county, and municipal governments services will not be able to cope with the chaos following the detonation, either. substantial aide from other states and military bases would not within the effected area would not arrive within hours; and more than likely it will become jammed up at different central locations and only trickle in over a period of days (if we are lucky) or maybe a week or two (if we are unlucky).

(in MEMPHIS, close to where i used to live, earlier this year, a huge refriderated warehouse was discovered to still be loaded with filled ice bags that never made it the folks who needed after KATRINA; yep, the USG paid a monthly bill every month to keep it setting there, being "cool". and then when it was discovered, instead of giving the ice to anyone who needed it in the USA, it was taken outside to melt in the hot TN sun)

the VA disaster handout i listed does _adequately_ warn survivors that there may be a long period of complete break down of government services, law and order, a period that it will be up to the folks left holding the can to look after themselves. no mention of radiation or fallout threat. no mention of scum rising to the occassion and doing their thing either ( this in an area where you can be murdered for your shoes, clothing, or a bag of groceries during normal times) and etc.

DAWGIE

Blessedly, I'm actually in Category B (never taken a human life, period), but my day job in the Navy was waiting for the order to build a glass self-lighting parking lot, and then executing said order. Thankfully, even 9/11 didn't result in that trigger getting pulled, but there were an awful lot of us very hot to send a few hundred pounds of concrete (ie, a test/training shape) into the ground at just under Mach 20, delivered right to someone's front porch. That's a roughly 200 kton equivalent in pure kinetic force. Who needs a nuke, when Newton will work fine?

A 10-20 kiloton atomic blast is roughly the easiest size explosion to make for someone without the high-energy physics background to get an implosion weapon to work, plus we have real-world numbers to know what kind of effects to expect: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Therefore, those are the most commonly used blast sizes. Both the US and USSR deployed far larger weapons, but they're kept pretty tightly controlled, so it's very unlikely for a terrorist to have gotten ahold of them. Many of the larger weapons have multi-step fuses, so not only do you have to get a weapon, but you have to actually deploy it exactly as the military would in order to get it to go boom.

I just find the likelihood of a major attack successfully fragmenting the country so vanishingly small as to be nonexistent.

If you really want a semi-plausible scenario to fragment the US, imagine something a little simpler, like a massive corruption scandal going back decades, manipulating who gets elected, etc., that actually gets enough civilians upset as to throw out the current Constitution.

"like a massive corruption scandal going back decades, manipulating who gets elected, etc., that actually gets enough civilians upset as to throw out the current Constitution."

Interesting. Once they lose faith in the system, the system goes out the door.

CC

If you really want a semi-plausible scenario to fragment the US, imagine something a little simpler, like a massive corruption scandal going back decades, manipulating who gets elected, etc., that actually gets enough civilians upset as to throw out the current Constitution.

Possibly even simpler, create a hot-button political issue that neither side considers negotiable, and have the election catapult one of the factions into power. Presto, country split in twain. Worked great in 1860….

-Will

However, I have to ask, if all these mental terrorist groups have these weapons, what are they waiting for? Why has Israel not been nuked yet? Or Britain? Or America? Or are these things going on every day in a game of threat and payment that we don't get to hear about?

Because right now in this country, and in Britain, and Israel, there are hundreds (if not thousands), of unnamed unknown dedicated and highly trained people whose entire job is to make sure that this nightmare never happens…

"there are hundreds (if not thousands), of unnamed unknown dedicated and highly trained people whose entire job is to make sure that this nightmare never happens…"

Thousands, Murph. Thousands.

CC

If D.C. got nuked:

Property values would drop and energy prices would rise. Utilities would be out for a while.

Any further comments would land me in the Dog House.

I would feel really bad for the guys that did it or anyone that looked like them -- America has an ugly streak that is not far beneath the surface.

mjc

Well, that's just hindsight Klebert. On 9/12 we still didn't know if something else would follow the plane attacks. Like KatieL, when we went to bed that night/morning most of us were really expecting "the other shoe to drop".

Well, I guess. I don't know why somebody would open with something as relatively feeble as flying airplanes into a couple buildings if they had a nuke and intended to use it, but whatever.

The point still stands though – nuclear retaliation comes after someone else's use of WMD, not before.

As unrealistic as it may be (which is why I posted this on SF), for the sake of gaming, let's just assume a breakup IS the end result . . .

**** What geographical divisions do you think would be formed? In other words, how would the map look?

Well, culturally they're fairly obvious. New York/New Jersey/New England/Eastern Pennsylvania, The Southeast, The Rust Belt/Old Northwest, an Upper and Lower Midwest, and an Upper and Lower West Coast. There might be some separate political units political units in the Rockies, or they might be part of the West or Midwest entities. I could see a Texas-based polity, or I could see it as part of a South, Southwest, or Midwest entity.

How it would pan out after the fact is another thing entirely though, and I have trouble even beginning to guess. I expect that in the case of a dissoulution of the US, peoples' first impulse would be to see themselves as States' citizens. I expect that New England would get together politically pretty rapidly, since we're too small individually, but other than that it's hard to guess.

**** And what sort of military resources would each of those divisions have?

Well, it depends – do the States gain control of the Federal military units stationed on their soil? I kind of suspect that they would fight to prevent disintegration, rather than participate in it… If they fight, I don't much see the Guard defeating them, either. How about the nukes; who gets them?

Generally speaking, the South and West have more military resources located there, but I'm not even sure how long they would keep functioning w/o the national supply chain.

- KLEBERT: "If you're looking for gaming potential, why not just make the scenario more plausible?"

What would you suggest? I'm curious. Thanks.

Well, the problem is that in the US, you have a nation where there is essentially zero unrest, and the citizenry is more-or-less entirely rich and content. D.C. isn't an Imperial City, holding restive conquered territories by force. The country just isn't in a good position for disintegration.

Maybe a decades-long conventional conflict with China, followed by a limited nuclear exchange?
-Kle.

Wow…step away for a day or two and bam a whole lot of stuff being thrown around.

IMO the gaming potential for this setting requires a steady stream of fantasy mixed in with your fiction or it will be a sad day indeed.

The reality of what happens after a serious bam, boom, or bowie is that everything changes, everything.

The fun element of gaming would be right out the door.

But, that said I just barely get the joy and fun of any realistic warfare "game". It is all about the killing of other people. Getting fun out of that is questionable to begin with.

But again we are taking about wargaming and in that context:

(Q)What would happen if Washington DC was nuked?

(A)Hopefully a quick series of events would take place so that not even one counter attack was launched…because if one silo opens up, if one high flyer opens the bomb bay doors, if the submarine firing vents are released from deep in the ocean…then more will follow…and we all die.

Some die today, some the next day, but everyone dies…well everyone dies eventually anyway but I mean to say quickly and painfully.

Forget the media version of doomsday. I do not see the Earth cracking or everything getting burned to a crisp. No there will be plenty of people and stuff left. I think what will be lost is a huge portion of our humanity.

If this were to be a game it would have to be either a serious game of "don't push the button" or "insert mutants, zombies, aliens, or even Snake Pliskin type of fantasy".

A serious look at the end of the world or the begining of a post apoc setting.

I realistic look would be this…poke me in the eye and I take away your grants/loans…kidnap one of our citizens and we boycot your country…kill one of us and we kill a thousand of you…bomb our embassy and you invade your country…bomb a big city and we start a war…destroy our capital and the formula does not look good for the guilty party.

The hope is to be able to find the guilty parties before an itchy trigger finger does something bad.

My suggestion is to move the capitol back to Philadelphia and start over.

Just that one building, Pyrate Captain? It'll be a pain in the arse gathering up all the rubble, but you can if you want.

Watching "Seven Days of May" right now. Very interesting.

According to Wikipedia, "The scenario of the film may have been inspired by the clash between General Curtis LeMay and President John F. Kennedy. It is suspected that LeMay, furious after the Cuban missile crisis for not being allowed to use his atomic bombs, talked to some of his staff about removing the President from power".
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I find it interesting that Burt Lancaster also starred in Twilight's Last Gleaming, playing another officer with rebellious ideas*.

Hmm. Reminds me of some behind close door discussions my uncle was involved in, soon after his friends and colleagues got killed or arrested at Bay of Pigs.

Dan
*A lot like Ed Harris in "The Rock" too!

Another fictional coup:

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And, like Washington and the other founding fathers, they see themselves as patriots and not traitors.

Dan

Here's a serious view of the matter from a Russian percspective about a collpase of the USA as a totality and what might happen thereafter – link – which is probably as sensible as they come.

Gaming Idea! "Fox and the Hounds" pre DC nuke, the "Fox" the terrorist with the suitcase nuke, the hounds your team of specialist to track him down, the GM would leave clues and to whom it may be, hotel receipts credit card transaction, rental cars receipts, etc. your job stop him before he gets to his target area, if he reaches his target area game over! GM controls non players minis, one is the terrorist, more then one team can play, clues only go the team, that ask the right questions at the right locations, to narrow down as to who he is. You can't go around shooting everybody, you shoot the wrong person the terrorist moves straight to the target area, target area is a zone area, once in the zone area game over!

Gaming Idea: post DC nuke, your team must go in and find the terrorist cell that is protecting the handler, destory the cell and capture the handler, player can play the cell team, gang banger (paid to help the cell maybe), looters, player can use their own street minis, as to hide the clue as to the terror cell, GM handles all civilian actions people trying to get out of the city, traffic jams, fires, and clues that lead team to the terror cell.

Gaming idea, post DC nuke additional terror cell in the area left to disrupt relief efforts your team search and destroy terror cells, protect relief sites.
Terror cell objective attack and destroy relief sites and convoys
Set victory conditions as needed. ie if terror cell destroys three out of five convoy trucks. Terrorist wins