"If I use cheap Old Glory Marder IIIs as Marder IIs..." Topic

…will all the cool kids laugh at me?

The cool kids already laugh at you, don't they?

So what do you have to lose?

But if you are alone in a forest and they laugh at you does it make a sound?

No. They'll just ask you why you used the wrong kind of Marder. Ben there, done that, gratuitously called in a Sturmovik strike to assist with making my point that it is whatever I say it is.

Skytrex doesn't do Marder IIs? No, I guess they don't.

I was planning something similar. I was going to do a new batch of FJ for Italy, and the only Marders I have are the Marder III (Sd.KFz. 139) with the 7.62cm Soviet gun.

So I won't laugh at you. But I'm not cool.

Allen

They know the difference?

They don't even paint them. How would they know one from another?

mjc

The current thread on the FoW Forum asking "What's wrong with unpainted figures?" is mildly depressing.

If you use felt cut outs as terrain, nothing.

what's wrong with felt cut-outs as terrain? are the cool kids laughing at me?

Maybe. Shrug.

No, that's the sound it makes. Plastic tree falling on felt goes "Shrug".

BTW, I DID look up both on the Internets.
The wheels look the same, the gun is in the same place.
As for the rest, all I can say to the nay-sayers is "Fiddle dee dee!"
So there.

Yes, I'm sorry John but the really, really cool kids all know that the Marder 2 was based on the PzKpfw 2 chassis while the Marder 3 was based on the 38t. I'm afraid that not only will they laugh (possibly behind your back) but they'll also roll their eyes and make annoying "tsk tsk" sounds.

If you declare it to be a Marder 2, then that is what it should be in the game. Nuff said.

As DAF posted: A block of wood is whatever the GM says it is.

-This from a professional model-builder (yes: that was my day job) who was at (or at least near) the front of the "Tsk Tsk-er" line to criticize any piece on the table that didn't exactly (or at least: best) represent the subject in question.

I've learned the truth: it's a game. Models are models, and games are games. Blending is fun --but don't lose sight of which one you're doing…

Where will this madness end? What's next? Using a Pz IV G for a Pz IV H?

A BF-109G6/R6 for a BF-109G6/U6?

A Sherman with VVSS for a Sherman with HVSS?

Somewhere, a unicorn is crying.

So why do the cool kids laugh at you? Is it because they are pathetic insecure wusses who have no life whatsoever (Other than being,"cool" of course).

Don't let the "cool kids" DICTATE to you what is acceptable or not!

(Cue in Battle Hymn of the Republic background music)

Rise up OFM! Strike a blow for miniature wargaming freedom! USE that Marder 3 for a Marder 2! Shrug off the chains of oppresion that is heaped upon us all by the ,"cool kids"! "NO more!" we say. There are more of us than you , "cool kids". Your day of reckoning has come. If OFM wants to use brown felt to represent woods, he can do it! If Allen Curtis wants to use a PZ IVG to represent a PZ IVH he can do it! This is not madness, this is wargamming freedom!

This message brought to you by Capt John Miller as a Public Service Announcement at 5:00 AM without coffee, tea, soda or any other stimulant.
Thank you.

You presuppose the cool kids even know about our hobby.

Thank you, Captaion Johm Miller.
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((Truth is marching, Truth is marching, Truth is marching, Truth is marching…))

Be jubilant my feet! As I proudly (yes PROUDLY!) deploy my Old Glory Marders, from ambush, and smite the nay-sayers!

One question. Is The Battle Hymn of the Republic really appropriate when playing Fallschirmjaegers?

"deploy my Old Glory Marders, from ambush"

I hope they are deployed on a piece of felt.

is wrong with using felt? If I didn't use felt I wouldn't get to play any wargames.

"A Sherman with VVSS for a Sherman with HVSS?"

I used Panzer IIs (in Panzer Grey) to stand in for 1944 Lynxes. Oooh the shame….

The wheels look the same

You are out of your mind – they do not look the same in the least.

However, they are close enough vintage for me that I certainly wouldn't hold it against you (unless, of course, you said something as dopey as the quote, above! )
--
Tim

You will be unceremoniously tarred, feathered, beaten, drawn and quartered. We must prosecute these crimes harshly to preserve model purity!

Bleah. Stupid double tap on the submit button.

Late at night, this
picture

looks like this:
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Sue me.

They both look like a trip to the sheet metal shop, with a limited budget.
The "armor" is more fitted to keep the black powder for the muzzzle loader dry than to protect the crew.
It also keeps the round shot from rolling out when you hit a bump.

I only own one kind of T34. Whatever I declare them to be, they are. Ditto for Shermans (just one type) and Panzer IVs (with or without schurzen only).

The current thread on the FoW Forum asking "What's wrong with unpainted figures?" is mildly depressing.

Especially when it takes mere priming and one pass of either a medium brown dip or GW Sepia Wash to make just about any North Africa force. Really. Assembling the little bleeps is the hard part, especially with armor. Paint is *easy* for 15mm.

ONE pass with black primer.
ONE pass with Krylon Camoflage Khaki. The rest is just showing off.

I'm not a fan of spray paint for base colors (that aren't black, white, or grey), but your point is taken.

i'm a fan of spray on base coats in the appropriate color, with washes and highlights too! it's Ok in my book.

Oh, I've done it, but a primer is going to be covered by something else, so gaps or light zones will be dealt with.

By comparison, a spray base coat, and especially an "anything else is showing off" base coat, that shows gaps and light spots is not going to be addressed, or can take as much energy to patch as painting by brush in the first place.

I use an airbrush to paint my armor. White spots are easily addressed using an airbrush. Of course if you prime black and use washes, then the point is moot (one of the purposes of priming black is because missed spots are not as obvious)…

Damon.

Once, folks believed that things that were worth doing were worth doing well.

"One question. Is The Battle Hymn of the Republic really appropriate when playing Fallschirmjaegers?"

No; for that, you want the musical progenitor of the song, "John Brown's Body", which includes the verse:

"They will hang Hermann Goering from a sour apple tree"

Allen

"Once, folks believed that things that were worth doing were worth doing well."

Oooh no. If something is hard to do it isn't worth doing. (Thank you Homer).

John the OFM
Just paint a large Roman numeral II on each side of your Marders and then they are Marder II`s! It's a new idea called camouflage, with a very chic French name! Zut alors! You can also glue little bits of felt to it for extra camouflage! The possibilities are endless!
Rod Robertson

The cool kids will always laugh at the nerds

Not when you keep the reloading equipment next to the painting table :)

The CD MarderIIIH is visually close enough to a MarderII based on the PzIID or E chassis and no-one makes that version of the Marder…