Dr Mathias  | 19 Sep 2009 7:40 a.m. PST |
Hello-
I'm looking for some information on fictional nations that various countries use or have used as opponents during military training exercises. I'd love to see some flags or insignia if possible. I know that the USA used 'Krasnovia' as a Soviet stand in, but the flag is a little too obviously communist with a red star on it. I'm sure I read a post on TMP a couple years ago, where a company made a line of generic figures named after their country's fictional (stand in) opponent. I was sure it was Eureka but I can't find the figures :P I thought they were called something like Monrovians, but Monrovia is a real place… If all else fails I'll go with a fictional country from Tin Tin. Thanks! |
| Acriter | 19 Sep 2009 7:49 a.m. PST |
Eureka's figures are Musorians. From the Eureka site: "Musorian" is the name used by the Australian Defence Forces to identify "enemy" units and "hostiles" during military exercises. Our ‘Musorians' are not intended to represent any particular nation, but they can be used for a wide variety of militia, guerrilla, or regular military forces from across the Eastern Bloc or Chinese equipped world. |
| aecurtis | 19 Sep 2009 8:09 a.m. PST |
Long before the U.S. Army used a Soviet-model Opposing Force (and I wish to state for the record that I had nothing to do with the creation of "Krasnovia"!), there was the Aggressor force, also known as "Circle Trigon" from its insignia. These were documented in a series of manuals that are very hard to find nowadays, but are listed here: link Some bunch of military intelligence nutballs actually developed a full fictitious background for these guys, including having them speak Esperanto! There are embedded links in this blog entry to a bit of the Aggressor background and details: link F'rinstance, we were defending France from the… Spanish? picture Allen |
| Grizwald | 19 Sep 2009 8:23 a.m. PST |
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| aecurtis | 19 Sep 2009 8:27 a.m. PST |
Thanks! Didn't know Bob had that up on his blog. Allen |
| Dragon Gunner | 19 Sep 2009 8:29 a.m. PST |
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| Dr Mathias | 19 Sep 2009 8:31 a.m. PST |
Acriter- Thanks! Man I have no idea how I missed seeing those. I knew they started with 'M' and that Eureka had most likely made them :P I looked in the moderns section too… aecurtis and Mike- Awesome! That's precisely what I needed! |
| Dragon Gunner | 19 Sep 2009 8:32 a.m. PST |
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| drummer | 19 Sep 2009 9:30 a.m. PST |
When I was in college, I was part of the OPFOR Circle Trigon squad for our ROTC unit. We were recruited and trained by Vietnam veterans. Hard training in the Oconee Natural Forest followed by lots of beer. Good times – and very good training. The novel (and movie) "Prisoner of Zenda" had "Ruritania".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruritania |
| Cpt Arexu | 19 Sep 2009 9:39 a.m. PST |
When I was a SERE Agressor (one of the enemy troops at SERE – Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape – School) at MCAS Cherry Point, we served in the "Peoples Republic of North America" forces. |
| The Jim Jones Cocktail Hour | 19 Sep 2009 10:29 a.m. PST |
Actually, the Musorians were only one fictional aggressor used by the ADF. When modelling large scale formations and conventional warfare, the Musos were used. For low level threats and insurgency warfare, the fictional aggressor was Kamaria. The alleged battle hymn or national anthem of Kamaria ran like this: 'I'm a Kamarian
and I'm True Blue
I kill c#*ts
Just like you' At least that's what some people tasked as 'enemy party' would sing. |
| 11th ACR | 19 Sep 2009 10:39 a.m. PST |
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| John D Salt | 19 Sep 2009 10:52 a.m. PST |
The British Army has exercised against the Martians in WW2, the Fantasians during the Cold War, and until recently had two possible exercise enemies, Genfor as the main enemy and Rowen as the enemy from the "rest of the world" (hence the name). The Fantasians bore a bit too much of a resemblance to 3rd Guards Shock Army way of doing things to be a good exercise enemy for a leg infantry unit, so when I was in a TA IS battalion, we had our own low-intensity enemy, the Thebians, invented by the blokes in our int cell (which was quite well-populated with wargamers). I also recall, on a night exercise with Exeter UOTC, being opposed by the Front for the Liberation of Occupied Portland (FLOP). All the best, John. |
| Griefbringer | 20 Sep 2009 1:37 a.m. PST |
Bongolesia !!!!!!!!!! But everyone who has been to Bongolesia knows that it is (unfortunately) a real place. |
| fozzybear | 20 Sep 2009 3:22 a.m. PST |
Yugomania or Switzermark! …. spliters!!!!! |
| Failure16 | 20 Sep 2009 9:21 a.m. PST |
I always enjoyed my time in Parumphistan, myself. And the beaches in the Kingdom of Oceana were nice. (Those were statess involved with Krasnovia's efforts to remain free from US and Mojavian oppression, of course) picture |
| 11th ACR | 20 Sep 2009 11:50 a.m. PST |
Long live Krasnovia!!!! AND LONG LIVE THE PARUMPHAN PEOPLES FRONT!!!! link krasnovia.com Robert Henry
BRDM-621 |
| templar72 | 21 Sep 2009 5:35 a.m. PST |
I went through Hohenfels in 1995 while we trained for Bosnia and as acted a UNPROFOR soldier during a 101st Airborne training excercise the same year. They had a group of fictional countries to represent the faction in the Former Republic of Yugoslavia. I don't remember the names, but I do remember there being a surprising level of detail. Ed G. |
| Ditto Tango 2 1 | 21 Sep 2009 7:40 a.m. PST |
the Fantasians during the Cold War As did we in Canada in the early 80s. By 1985, though, it was always "Soviet" or some WP country.
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Tim |
| Lion in the Stars | 21 Sep 2009 11:39 a.m. PST |
We used color names when I was in (pretty much Post 9/11, though), like Purple or Orange. |
| Jay Arnold | 21 Sep 2009 1:49 p.m. PST |
Our AIT FTX took place in Pineland, the same nation as Robin Sage exercise at the end of SFQC. There was a country study done up and everything. The nation used for JRTC escapes me. I may use such nations for "not-modern" gaming. I need to use the Soviet kit I bought from Wyatt the odd and don't feel like using Afghanistan anymore. |
