"Question about Old Crow models" Topic

I am in the final stages of completing a "Terran Federation" army utilizing GW figures as my troops (various imperial guard and space marines representing different units, etc.)
Since this is supposed to be in the far future I wanted to use grav vehicles as a transports/apc's rather than the rhino's/chimera's that GW makes. Old Crow's Lancer Heavy Assault Carrier fits the bill nicely, but it is listed as 25mm. Does anyone know if it looks out of scale with GW's figures? I would be mounting it on a flight stand so that will give it some added height and should give the illusion of larger size. Can anyone suggest any other figure that would work?

Mine works great alongside my GW and 28mm! (The Lancer in particular) I use my Lancer as an APC and it goes alongside my Pig Iron Productions tank quite well.

If you look here:

doodlebot.net/redoubt/?p=50

in the lower left corner is a pic of some Old Crow Wheeled APCs (Mid sized ones) alongside AT-43 figs to give you a scale comparison idea (The lancer is substantially larger than these)

Have you seen the Old Crow Pics on Kevin Dalimore's site?

While the vehicle you are asking about is not there there is a PDF showing some of the smaller wheeled buggies used with Copplestone figures.

kevindallimore.co.uk

I can sorta-kinda help.

First, before I dive in to it, if anyone has any other sci-fi vehicle lines they wanna pimp, please do so. I spent some time trying to track anything down, and came up with very few options, all of which I discounted EXCEPT for Old Crow (either based on price, or look since I didn't want wheeled or tracked).

So, in Early August I ordered a sample batch of vehicles, and they arrived yesterday. I did NOT order a Lancer, as that is well outside my price range for a transport!

So … will this be of help … maybe.

I wanted to have vehicles for my Drantahks. The stand about 31mm tall from the bottom of their feet (not counting their metal base, not counting the 25mm round bases I have mounted them to). I don't own any Imperial Guard, but do have quite a few Space Marines).

Anyway, I picked up a Glaive Med APC and a Trojan Light APC (9 Sterling each – Lancer is 21 Sterling. Also picked up an Outrider Scout (at 6.5 Sterling).

The Glaive/Trojan are both 4.5" long (Glaive is slightly wider at 2.25" versus Trojan 2"). It is also taller by an eighth of an inch: 1.375" versus 1.25"

Outrider Scout is 3.5" long and 1.75" wide.

I expected them to be a little on the smallish side (listed as 25mm) but servicable. They are exactly that.

Oh … I got the APCs as hover, and the scout as a grav.

The slightly wider and taller Glaive looks like it could easily hold 6 troopers as cargo, plus a crew of two. Since models seated never take up as much space as action poses on bases, I can actually see how 8 troopers would fit, plus a driver, plus a gunner manning the turret (or that could be an auto-weapon system.

Since my Drantahks are organized in squads of 7, I am a very happy camper with the "look and fit" of my minis and their new vehicles. And that is just the "practical" side of the equation.

The vehicles are sweet. I will be placing a follow-up order shortly for a bunch more stuff.

I got one Trojan because I wasn't sure how close it was in size to the Glaive (website only lists the lengths, and they were identical in that regard).

I can see now that compared to the Glaive, the Trojan is more like 6 troopers max, plus one driver. So for my 7-member squads, I could go with Trojans as their main carrier. But I think I will use the Glaive, and the Trojan will become the HQ Vehicle since I have fewer figs in my HQ squads. The height is why I would not use that one for the main fighting squads. Figuring all those troopers have packs and such. Besides, the two are priced the same.

The Outrider Scout I got for a scouting vehicle (Duh!). It's small enough that it looks like a driver and two others could fit easily, make it 4 figs total and you are pushing the limits. At 5 I'd be thinking Circus Clown Car, and wondering just where all those guys were coming from.

Space Marines are bulkier than Drantahks, but the issues isn't so much dropping "visually reasonable" numbers by 1 or 2. It's the height. Hover vehicles sit closer to the ground than wheeled vehicles, and when I imagine a Space Marine hunching over to enter that back hatch of the Glaive and then sitting down with his head bumping into the ceiling, it starts to look like a much tighter fit.

Drantahks are skinnier, so I have no problems imagining them in these things. IG would probably look fine, but Space Marines, that might be more of a stretch than I would be willing to make.

But you were looking at the Lancer, which is not only 6" long, but taller (not sure how much taller, but it sure looks like it is in the photos).

So I am very excited about my sample vehicles, and will be getting more for my Drantahks. I think they would be just fine with Imperial Guard.

I just grabbed some of my AT-43 UNA figures, and they are about as tall if not 1mm shorter than my Drantahks. So my UNA troopers (and Red Blok for that matter) can also work well with these – an added bonus.

I'm not sure what flying base you are thinking about (I always think BFG ships and those smallish clear plastic jobs). These are too heavy for that.

I had picked up some of those newish GW "Bike" bases, that are 75mm long and have perfectly rounded ends, and planned to use a brass rod and pin setup. But I don't think those are wide enough (only 1") to offer enough stability. I may go with some 60mm round bases instead.

Hopefully, raising them up just a bit will make up for them being scaled for 25mm stuff, but even sitting on the table right now, these Old Crow vehicles look close enough to work with what I have planned.

If you go with the Lancer for your Space Marines, I think that would be fine. Of if you want to have a dozen Imperial Guard jump out, then yeah, you need something longer than the Glavie.

Me? I'm using FAD for the rules, and can configure my squads to be any number I want, and did that based on the models that come in each pack, so the fact that Old Crow vehicles work for my existing plans is sweet news.

And finally, if you want I could take a piccy or two of my new bare naked vehicles, next to some AT-43 UNA and a Space Marine if that would help. My marines are packed away, but I could dig them out without too much trouble.

Drop me an email at: Seattlered (at) aol (dot) com

These are wonderfully detailed vehicles, but not cheap, and I'd hate for you to buy a bunch and they just don't fit for you. They will work wonders for me.

Happy to help if I can.

Steve

While they are fine vehicles aesthetically and at least used to be very well cast, I would say they look a little small alongside GW figs. They goe better with leaner and more "realistic" models such as Copplestone stuff mentioned above.

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This is a lancer, sabre and dragoon from Old Crow, with Beaky marines.

"They goe better with leaner and more "realistic" models such as Copplestone stuff mentioned above."

GW Imperial Guard are essentially the same as Copplestone's figures. His older Grenadier stuff tends to be smaller though.

Hmm, I would disagree somewhat, tho I must haven't seen the new IG minis and Copplestones side by side all that much, even in the pictures. At one point, the IG were clearly chunkier as I recall.

Here's a Trojan APC alongside some Cadians:

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Thank guys, the pictures definitely helped. I think the lancer will look fine with the GW figs.

I had no doubts before seeing these piccys that "wheeled" Old Crow models would work just fine. And now that I've seen those photos, it is confirmed.

But … "hover" vehicles are much slimmer (heigth-wise). Raising them off the ground a bit on some stand will help, but they may still look smaller when set against bulkier 28mm troops.

Thanks everyone for those piccys. That was great!

I don't know if I agree. The reason I chose the Lancer as my apc is because it is wider than the others, giving the impression of greater mass. After it is mounted on a flying base it will be a little taller than the wheeled apc's, furthering that impression. I think it will look very good next to my troops.