"The 40mm Price Myth" Topic

I keep hearing that 40mm is too expensive and costs so much mre than 28mm.

Really?

40mm lists for $3.50 USD per foot figure from Trident and $2.00 USD per figure from Sash&Saber.

Foundry 28mm are currently bargain priced at $23 USD for 8 figures.

Most of the figurs that Brigade sells seem o be priced between $2.50 USD and $3.50 USD each.

Note these are all historical figures, not fantasy and Sci Fi which can be priced at $8.00 USD plus for one foot figure!

I just don't see how this makes 40mm outrageousy expensive compared to 28mm.

When I started my ECW and AWI projects I priced my options and for the quality f figures I wanted to use 40mm won on price hands down. I'm in the US and all those nice European 28mm get very expesive, especially when the dollar drps and you need to pay international shipping.

I'm in the US and all those nice European 28mm get very expesive, especially when the dollar drps and you need to pay international shipping.

While this is very much true to you, it leads to something of an "apples and oranges" comparison when trying to approach things from a bit more global perspective – for a Brit, the situation could be inverted. Mind me, Foundry might not be the most representative choice for a 28mm model source to use for comparisons.

For comparing Sash&Saber 40mm models with something else, perhaps the best comparison would be their own 25mm range? For a quick glance on their site, $40 USD seems to buy you either 20 models in 40mm, or 40 models in 25mm (using the ACW ranges as a reference).

What Grief said.

Take a look at Perrys. Their 40mm foot are £3.00 GBP each, a pack of 6x 28mm figures is £6.00 GBP A 40mm cavalry figure is £8; 3x 28mm mounted are £7.50 GBP

The 40mm pack prices are 10 foot for £20.00 GBP

Foundry 28mm are currently bargain priced at $23.00 USD for 8 figures.

Foundry are selling foot at £10.75 GBP for 8, or three identical packs (24 figures) at £29.35.

The Warstore's dollar prices for Foundry

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Lord knows where your pricing comes from. The dollar isn't that low against the pound. It's around 1.5:1.

I have both Sash and Saber 25mm ACW and 40MM ACW figures (well over 1000 of each) and both lines are a great value for the money. S&S often has special deals at the three HMGS-East conventions that make them even more of a value.
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James Mattes

I went looking for another UK example, and found Front Rank; their 40mm AWI figures are priced at £2.00 GBP each, while their 28mm Napoleonics are priced at £1.00 GBP each.

So considering also the cases of Sash&Sabre and Perry Miniatures (as given above), when comparing lines from the same manufacturer, the cost of a 40mm model seems to be around 200% the price of an equivalent 25/28mm model.

Have you noticed that the painting services also charge a lot more for painting a 40mm vs a 25/28mm. So far I think that S&S is the best deal out there. You can't beat the price or the quality.

On a similar note, terrain pieces for 40mm is also well priced compared to 28mm!

I know – I've been comparing prices on resin castings for some time as well as producing castings myself.

See; dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com

Regards

Tony

Just curious … (honest!) … but what is the basing like for 40mm versus 28mm?

CAT: I base my Sash & Saber 40mm F&I stuff on the same bases I use for my 28mm minis. 1", round, zinc washers. I like the same size base because they will then generally take up the same space on the table in terrain and buildings.

28mm figures will be 40mm tall due to scale creep in another few years anyway…

Isn't it a better comparison to price a couple of armies for your favorite rule system? And to price outfitting a game table so you have a place to play?

Nowadays there is an option to order Foundry from Caliver books, for more favourable exchange and postage rates.

Still, I think that selecting the British company with the most expensive models, expensive postage and screwed up exchange rate, and having that shipped to US, and then comparing it with rather reasonably priced locally produced 40mm model is a good comparison for the relative prices of 28mm models versus 40mm models.

On the other hand, I do not see any point in claiming that the 40mm ranges in general have outrageous prices. If you happen to like 40mm miniatures, then paying twice what you would pay for an equivalent 28mm model sounds reasonable. You probably also get twice as much metal (at least) and the sculptor might have also spent more hours working on it.

Then again, I guess many of the 15mm enthusiasts consider 28mm models to be outrageously priced in the first place…

I looked into the Foundry sale the other day. Even with free shipping and the 20% off it was still over $3.00 USD a figure! I will stick to other lines for now.
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James Mattes

"Lord knows where your pricing comes from": Actually it comes direcly from the wbsites of the companies concerned.

If you click on the US flag icon Fondry gives you prices in US dollars. $23.00 USD for 8 figures in the WSS range I checked for a price. Same oes for S&S, Brigade Games, and Trident via the MSC.

All publicly posted information, no special insider deals.
Foundry being the most expensive is also a myth, at least if yo live in the US. Look at the prices on the Brigade website, or check out Reaper and other fantasy figure makers.

If you are lucky enough to live on the otherside of the pond wher 2mm figures are produced locally and ae therefor cheap, it may be different.

I just stated the fact, that for US customers, 40mm is no more and often less expensive than high end 28mm.

I have also done the math and will pay about the same per base area for 6mm, 10mm, 15mm, 28mm, or 40mm. This is for my preferd basing, not on a per figure of course.

I base 40mm on the same 1 inch fender washers I use for 28mm.

I am NOT saying that 40mm across the board csts the some of less than 28m. Just that it is a myth (and I have posted facts to prove it) that 40mm is always more expensive than 28mm. I could compare Old Glory 25s at $1.45 USD per figure (for WSS) with Drabant 40mm currently $7.16 USD per foot figure. (For OG Army members the price is doscounted a further 40%), in fairness to Drabant the US Distributor is off-line till Sept 7, so I had to get my price direct from Drabant.

But then I could get Alpha Miniatures 54mm for $8 USD each, when Andrea were costing me $40. USD

Are 40mm expensive? They can be. Are 28mm expensive? They can be. Can cheap 28mm be found? Of course. Are 40mm always at least double 28m? No! Are they only cheaper than everybody's favorite price whipping boy (Foundry)? No! And btw as a little web research will easilly show, Foundry and GW are far from the most expensive 28mm manufacturers out there.

All due respect to Allen and Michael, but their prices (in combination with their lack of complete ranges) were the wo main reasons I don't game anything with Perry 28mm. I can get figures I like better, at prices I like better, else where.

I've considered 40mm very seriously and even painted a few. But although the infantry are fine value for the money, I was stopped short by:

* the price of cavalry

* the price of doing an artillery battery and a limber

* the limited range of figures

* the issue of storage space (One of these guys, holding up a flag, needs about 6" of vertical space)

* the figure-depth issue for Cav and Arty. One rank of horses needs about 3" of base depth.

* the question of terrain; Do I really want to buy more of it?

I can understand,you have a point the can take up a bit more shelf space plus,certain items are more expensive but:
You will have a much more attractive figure collection with 40mm rather than the old squat 28ts.
As to the limited range of figures it is just a matter of time before the gamers demands better quality and more manufacturers shift to 40mm.
As to terrain it is also a matter of time,and you can sometimes use the same you already have in terms of nature items.
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What if Napoleon Could Fly

For all the reasons you listed, I now only play 6mm.

Likewise the reasons I now only play 10mm.

Why use 40mm outside skirmish games? 10mm for the mass effect.