"Please do the honourable thing, Wg Cdr Luddite," Topic

John Holly said "Desire brings about karma."

I thought desire brought out the Kama Sutra.

It's cropped so that it doesn't show the Russian generals…

Aw… but the Russian Generals would be cool too.

Heh, and here I was thinking all this time that FOW was "Fog of War". Much ado about nothing I am interested in. But I do take an interest in how Net personalities grate on each other. Mostly it's just silly….

Ignorance is not an absence of knowledge or wisdom, but rather the lack of awareness by an individual of knowledge. In the United States, as well as many other countries, characterizing someone as ignorant is insulting.

I do not know, or care not to say. It's self prescribed Eastern philosophy week for me.

Perhaps applied within a different context, being without knowledge is not so bad.

Perhaps awareness of knowledge is part of the problem, or not depending.

In a wargaming analogy who enjoys the actual game more, the one playing without the knowledge of desiring to know minutiae, or the one with knowledge constantly preoccupied with chasing it?

Some days it would be nice to be called ignorant.

"Aw… but the Russian Generals would be cool too."

Yes, but TMP's avid Cold War fighters wouldn't understand.

Suffering itself does not generate karma. It is the reaction to suffering that generates karma. Consider this on the Tree of Woe.

Allen

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This is going to turn into one of those threads, isn't it?

The wording "self-proclaimed" is a dig at John's screen name.

Oh my god in heaven, if someone takes offence at something like that, then one would be behaving like an over sensitive pouting teen looking up and over-interpreting every rule he possibly can.

Good grief.

Doubtless, given the sensitivity you seem to be demonstrating, you will see that as a personal attack. <rolls eyes> When you complain, Bill will explain the difference to you.

Oh and BTW, I don't know if you are one of the FOW offended, but if you are, you can look at my posts and you'll see I am not one of the rabid anti-FOW fellows.

OFM deserves to go back to the DH for the petulant behaviour here.
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Tim

No, that was Ted. Socrates said, "Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives."

Ahhh right. Got my great minds mixed up.

Come now fellas. Let us listen to the words of wisdom of Bill S. Preston Esq. and Ted Theodore Logan…

"Be excellent to each other."

Honestly, I agree with OFM in the aspect that he was "Personally attacked"
Do I agree with everything else that has transpired in the past 72 hours? well I honestly don't have an opinion on it all.
Compared to many of you I'm still a youngling on the forums, I read through threads on a daily basis and post my two cents when I feel the urge but mainly use TMP for info on various and nefarious stuff (mainly pirates!)
I can say that I once had a very good friend of mine tell me that he didn't care what anyone thought of him, the only people who mattered to him were his children. I think that is a very true and fair statement. Perception is reality, everyone percieves things differently than the next person. I could say that I hate red, and despise blue (kyote your the exception to the rule). Someone could construe this as offensive and report me, the real question is do I care? Does it bother me? Will it throw the planets out of alignment and cause the apocalypse? I don't think so.
So take this for what its worth, but I honestly doubt that anything will come of all this strife. I made a conscious choice to post on TMP after I created my membership. By doing this I agreed to the rules and policies regarding posts. Does this mean that I won't make a slip up and post something that I shouldn't? No, but I made a choice…point is we all have a choice, and we all choose to perceive things in a different manner. For those of you who think the OFM "Percieved" the attack incorrectly, how can you be certain? How can you be certain that your perception reflects the original posters thoughts? Way to many variables and questions to make any type of educated guess. Like I said in the beginning of my post, I agree with the OFM…but this is my perception of the post he is referring to.

Regardless I agree with Iron Ivan Keith… Be excellent to each other.
Now where did I put that damn bottle of rum…

Tim,

Bill enforces the rules. Individuals are free to ignore or misconstrue the rules as they please.

My father taught me a few manners and the basics of courtesy. He taught me to listen politely and not roll my eyes at people. Such behavior is insulting and a bad reflection on one's parents.

If you have never looked at the Rules of Conduct, I'll disclose a small bit; civility is not a requirement for posting on this board. Despite no mandate to remain civil, I personally strive to remain polite when so ineptly insulted by someone struggling to master English.

I play no WWII games and do not follow those forums. Too often they are played by small men pretending they control big guns. Despite my pronounced sensitivity and some knowledge of the Rules of Conduct, as is my habit, I plan to file no complaints.

I was simply voicing one interpretation of the Rules of Conduct. Of course, Bill will do as he pleases. We can hope he is consistent, even-handed and fair for the good of all.

We can hope.

All good points religion.

I'm not sure if you are directing thinly disguised insults at me or if you are trying to put yourself up on pedestal or perhaps both: "Your parents were bad, but I try to be civil". It doesn't really matter, though.

I still don't believe any of the things the OFM is complaining about here constitute direct insults as per the FAQ. If you hadn't realized by my confidence in my last response to you, I know the FAQ quite well and make sure I hover as close to it as I possibly can. I am rarely DHed, though quite a lot of people complain, not realizing there is a difference in commenting on one's behaviour versus applying observations and interpretations directly against the individual.
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Tim

Tim, as you "know the FAQ quite well" and appear to take pride in your ability to insult others without technically violating Rules of Conduct, could you clarify policy for those such as myself? I am unclear about "petulant behaviour," a DHable offense, and "direct insults as per the FAQ." If I wished to engage in boorish behavior, not that I do, what are the most effective ways to repeatedly cause "quite a lot of people [to] complain" without violating the technical letter of the the Rules of Conduct?

I think Dude is about the only appropriate comment at this stage.

Put them in the iron maiden!

Ted: Iron Maiden?
Bill, Ted: Excellent!
[air guitar]

Execute them!

Dawghouse Religion, he is obviously a shifty rules lawyer..and somebody so self effcing has to be an agitator of some kind..

Agitator? :)
May I have a T-shirt so printed?

Bogus!

Thank you, Goldwyrm and Iron Ivan!

Dawghouse Religion

I'm on board with that.

Oh, you meant religon. I say nay.

Dude, there's no way I can possibly do infinity push-ups.
Maybe if he lets us do them girly-style?

"Dawghouse Religion"

He is called religon, not religion.

Dudes!

I lack an evil eye. :)

structuralist style reading behaviour if a word looks like a word the brain registers it as such..hence spelling mistakes unnoticed in personally checked posts..Dawghouse Religon..what is a Religon should I know of this?

Don't you just love internet 'celebrities'? I think Mr Luddite IS doing the honourable (glad to see the use of a 'u' in there) thing, by keeping out of this load of old tut. Grow up, OFM.

I thought 'Dust in the Wind' was a song on an album by KANSAS????

or something similar, by peter paul and mary with 'Blowin in the Wind'….

But what are they going to call the 'decade' between 2000 and 2010??? 90's Plus 10?

Sgt DWW-btod

To be honest, the only thing I really had a problem with was being a snot when I could not defend myself. That is SOOOO un-British.

Hey I'm out of the Dawghouse and ready to take my place as the OFM's second.

Wow you called the guy out and still no response. He must have changed his name and skipped town.

High noon at the TMP corral.

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Dude, don't call me Dude.
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I was thinking a duel would look more like this:

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Or this?

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Oh my.

I have a few days away from TMP in the real world (ever been there John?) and come back to this kerfuffle.

I don't consider my BoB comment as DHable. It seems a valid criticism to me. I had no idea John was in the Dawghouse (why would I?), so his accusation of kicking him when down is meaningless. But John does enjoy being a martyr doesn't he ?

I stand by my spelling of Itie. It seems Eyetye/Eyetie are corruptions of what was essentially a mainly spoken word anyway. So all three spellings are acceptable.

Group attack on FOW players? Absolutely not. I merely stated my opinion and reasoning in response to a topic question. The 'majority' of FOW gamers I referred to are the ones I have met personally (ie. not on t'interweb). That is my personal experience and I stand by it.

I have no real animosity towards the OFM, it's just that he is a figurehead for much that I dislike about recent trends in the hobby. Also he is very easy to wind up and sometimes I just can't stop myself. Some of the posts he dislikes are indeed just me yanking his chain.

There seems to be a real problem on TMP nowadays with certain thin-skinned people being unable to distinguish between criticism and attacks. I stick to the old adage 'don't dish it out if you can't take it'.

Is ing still a DH offence?. Because that looks very much like a confession from where I'm sitting*

*south of Yorkshire, in a comfy chair, with a pint.

If winding people up like the Wing Commander confessed to is going to become a Doghouse offence then the place is going to get very full very quickly.

At least he admits to being my own personal stalker.
I accomplished at least that much with this thread.

He also admits that nothing he writes is to be taken seriously. There is that too.

You're probably flattering yourself if you think it's personal.

No, it's personal.

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@ OFM
I thought you just turned the less congenial amongst us into aan empty, grey space, John?
I honestly cant see the point of letting yourself get wound up.
And seeing your a "figurehead for several trends I dislike in wargaming" (I roll my eyes at this statement!), be this one.
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It's all part of the cult of celebrity that seems so common these days. One section of society builds someone up and another section see it as their job to knock them back down.
Just one of those things best ignored.

John the OFM is a figurehead? But, but… who then is the Puppet Master?!?

The world trembles at the thought!

The OFM is correct for once.

Nothing on TMP should be taken seriously, it's just throw-away web chat.

Those who do take it seriously need to chill out.

Incidently John's accusation that I am stalker doesn't bother me. I am a big boy and feel no need whatsoever to whinge about it.

Dude

I'm printing up some 'team Luddite' and 'Team ofm' t-shirts, anybody want one?

thought not, let it go OFM, Luddy doesn't care, NOBODY cares, go and treat yourself, paint some figures, even, gasp, have a game! you never know, it may catch on……

How the hell did I miss this thread?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Donald~
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By John 54; I'll have 50 Team Luddite shirts please. They will go down a bomb at British wargame shows.