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aecurtis Fezian24 Aug 2009 8:05 a.m. PST

The topic speaks for itself.

Dan Cyr24 Aug 2009 8:15 a.m. PST

Make a nice table top piece for WWI air games (smile).

Dan

Cpt Arexu24 Aug 2009 8:25 a.m. PST

They would look better in 54mm. Or Old-School GI Joe scale.

Personal logo Murphy Sponsoring Member of TMP24 Aug 2009 8:31 a.m. PST

Not yet…but I've been thinking about it….

Personal logo Wolfshanza Supporting Member of TMP24 Aug 2009 8:36 a.m. PST

Ah-The last resort "Take the enemy commander out" ploy ?

Personal logo Gungnir Supporting Member of TMP24 Aug 2009 8:36 a.m. PST

Only if done properly.

Just holding a match under a paper model is too simple.

There should at least be a metal (or metal looking) twisted frame left over after the flames die down.

Also please note that the hydrogen itself burns with an invisible flame, the flames you see are from the combustible parts of the bag, and the crew, naturally. This is rarely depicted correctly.

Top Gun Ace24 Aug 2009 9:12 a.m. PST

They will probably set off the smoke alarm, but give it a try, if you want to, and report back.

The Jim Jones Cocktail Hour24 Aug 2009 9:25 a.m. PST

If only to provide a proper conduit for the release of hot air.

JamesonFirefox24 Aug 2009 9:30 a.m. PST

Always wanted to do a Pulp/VSF game using squadrons of armed airships (NOT areonefs, they look silly to me)so crashed ones would be a necessity.

Dave Crowell24 Aug 2009 10:25 a.m. PST

Hmmm…this could be fun. Especially considering that the dope on the Hindenburg was essentially thermite. Let's wrap Hydrogen in thermite, tonight on "Great Engineering Blunders in History"

GreatScot7224 Aug 2009 11:08 a.m. PST

I was expecting something more ambitious.
This seems quite a "Modest Proposal," Allen. wink

aecurtis Fezian24 Aug 2009 11:34 a.m. PST

That's because I'm not too swift.

Top Gun Ace24 Aug 2009 11:58 a.m. PST

Check out one of the Mythbusters episodes for details on how to do it up right.

DyeHard24 Aug 2009 12:11 p.m. PST

More in the realm of fantasy then history:

As no battle field crashes occurred (off the top of my head).
The flames are very short lived, even the ground does not get very burned. Hydrogen flame is invisible to humans, it is the skin burning that you would see. Here are some photos for inspiration:
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Note some of these were Helium filled. In Hydrogen filled ships the skin is almost always completely gone.

As these airships are often near 200 meters long, that would be nearly 2 meters (78 inches) long in 15mm.

DyeHard

Cpt Arexu24 Aug 2009 12:54 p.m. PST

I always wanted to do an aircraft vs zeppelins game, but I planned to do 1/144 or 1/200 zeppelin and 1/144 aircraft… then i read up on the real history of a/c vs zeps – there's no time it's a challenge. early on aircraft weapons were ineffective, later aircraft weapons were crushing. in neither case is there a chance for the weak side to hurt the strong, so not a fun game…

Jamesonsafari24 Aug 2009 5:06 p.m. PST

But those airship carriers of the USN are just too cool.

BrianW25 Aug 2009 8:55 a.m. PST

I don't think this question can be properly answered until we determine what colors the flames would be painted, and how to represent the invisible flames.
BWW

DyeHard25 Aug 2009 11:48 a.m. PST

You should paint it just like in this photo:
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Just like the area between the blueish glow of the vaporized metal and the white of the plasmatized nitrogen at the bottom.

Or like the area between the top og the burner tube and the broom held over the flame.
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Good luck with the painting:

DyeHard

Goldwyrm25 Aug 2009 12:18 p.m. PST

Like this
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or this scenario

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First page is surprisingly safe for work

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