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Personal logo Coyotepunc and Hatshepsuut Supporting Member of TMP13 Aug 2009 6:32 p.m. PST

My Search-Fu is bad… can anyone tell me who manufactures 25/28mm Hyksos, preferably compatible with Eureka and Black Tree Design ranges? And if they are available in the USA that would be a bit of a bonus as well.

Thank you for any and all responses.

ThorLongus Inactive Member13 Aug 2009 7:15 p.m. PST

so, werent hyksos just a wave of semitic nomads… use caananite and or bedouin types?? not sure but would like to find out also"The Hyksos (Egyptian heqa khasewet, "foreign rulers"; Greek Ὑκσώς, Ὑξώς, Arabic: الملوك الرعاة, shepherd kings) were an Asiatic people who invaded the eastern Nile Delta, in the Twelfth dynasty of Egypt initiating the Second Intermediate Period of Ancient Egypt. The people are shown below wearing the cloaks of many colors associated with the mercenary Mitanni bowmen and cavalry (ha ibrw) of Northern Canaan, Aram, Kadesh, Sidon and Tyre." wiki so Mitanni ,and caananites
sorry not much help I guess-- i would look for Mitaani/canaanite/sea people-(Tyre/Sidon)

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member13 Aug 2009 7:21 p.m. PST

I'm not sure anything is compatible with both Eureka's ancients and BTD's!

Foundry made a small number of figures designated as "Hyksos", but suitable Syrians and Canaanites are available from Foundry (again):

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link (The Hyksos pack is included here).

Castaway Arts has a couple of ranges, careful selction from which may be useful:

link (not the camels!)
link (the skirmishers)
link (again, some of the poorer folk)

Some of Newline Designs' unarmored Henrew infantry might also be useful.

All those will go better with Eureka (not sure what you'd be using…) than with BTD (ditto).

Allen

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member13 Aug 2009 7:30 p.m. PST

Not sure Wikipedia is on the money as far as roping in the Mitanni; a Hurrian origin for the Hyksos is out of favor now. The "coat/cloak/robe of many colors" is typically Syrian and Hapiru, as in the Foundry CSM2 pack.

But for Mitanni, the former Chariot 28mm Mitanni range offered by Navigator now has levy archers which will work:

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Some come in the later Babylonian bronze helmet, which may or may not work for you. I use these as Hittite levies, as part of Hanigalbat had become part of the Hittite Empire; they go alongside the Foundry Canaanite/Syrian allies very nicely.

Allen

ThorLongus Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 3:02 a.m. PST

Hi Allen, how do you feel about the Hapiru ,or Habiru…I have heard somewhere that these were semitic mercenaries,possibly being linked with Abraham and the origins of the word hebrew? wishful thinking? I have been told that Old Test.Abraham was a mercenary general with a small private army which was very effective

religon Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 5:22 a.m. PST

The old Ral Partha line won the 1992 Origins "Best Historical Figure Series" award. They are a bit larger than the early RP figures and have some zing. No idea if they are accurate. Iron Wind Metals still produce these.

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Personal logo rddfxx Supporting Member of TMP Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 5:42 a.m. PST

The Partha Hyksos are good, except the chariot crew are pure fantasy

adster14 Aug 2009 5:43 a.m. PST

The Ral Partha figures are very nice and work well with Foundry size and style-wise but you have to be careful which figures you choose if you want to have any sort of link with history. The various Arabs and Canaanite javelinmen are great but the chariot is pretty much a work of complete fantasy. (My Canaanite general rides in one as I just don't care! grin)

adster14 Aug 2009 5:44 a.m. PST

(Is that what they call a consensus?)

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 11:18 a.m. PST

"Hi Allen, how do you feel about the Hapiru ,or Habiru…I have heard somewhere that these were semitic mercenaries,possibly being linked with Abraham and the origins of the word hebrew? wishful thinking? I have been told that Old Test.Abraham was a mercenary general with a small private army which was very effective"

The hapiru, or "dusty ones", were the Semitic-language-speaking nomads of the ancient Middle East. "Hapiru" is generally acknowledged to be the origin of "Hebrew".

For generations upon generations, the nomads ranged and raided on the periphery of cultivated areas, taking their tents and flocks (and later, camels) with them. Their descendants and cousins became Midianites and Bedouin and Israelites: all related, all speaking related languages (proto-Aramaic or Aramaic for the most part), intermarrying when they weren't on a razzia, and cheerfully pursuing internecine warfare for thousands of years.

Being raiders by nature, they were often "bought off" as mercenaries: by the Babylonians, by the Assyrians, by the Mitanni and Hurrians, by the Hittites, and even by the Egyptians. And the Egyptians imported numbers of them both as laborers and, in some cases, to rise to important positions in the Egyptian hierarchy (Moses, Joseph). Slaves in Egypt? Well, you write the books, you get to use the words that fit your agenda… I see Exodus as more of a labor action, a walkout.

Abraham doesn't strike me so much as a mercenary general as a hapiru chieftain, traveling great distances over his lifetime (follwo his itinerary sometime) with his extended family/clan/tribe, their impedimenta, and so on. By the nature of that lifestyle, raiding and temporary employment to raid an enemy or *cease* from raiding the employer, are part of the job description.

Abraham's main contribution to the history of mankind appears to be the then-new concept of monotheism. Wandering the desert in a bleak quest for survival can lead you to that form of epiphany just as easily as it can result in a belief in numerous, minor, petty godlets or djinn, usually localized--as the djinn of a mountain, or the djinn of that rock over there, or the djinn of some mysterious burning creosote bush--sometimes requiring humans to construct a box or something to carry one about, if he wishes to accompany them away from his locus.

Most Bedu believed in a similar multitude of desert djinn, generally tied to holy places, until that Mohammed fellow came up with another form of monotheism a while later.

It's all there in the books. You just have to look at what they say and don't say.

Deserts make people crazy. Look at Lawrence. Look at me.

Abraham wandered in the desert and conferred with something he believed to be the Almighty. That resulted--in time--in two of the great monotheistic religions. Moses wandered in the desert and conferred with something that told him He was the Almighty; that led to one of the two, and eventually--through some misdirection--to the other. Mohammed wandered the desert and conferred with somthing that told *him* He was the Almighty.

I expect most any day now, Something will check in with some human in a desert somewhere and like Dr. Phil, ask, "How's that workin' out for ya?" I hope it's not me. I'll tell Him.

Allen

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 11:22 a.m. PST

Lest you think I am just being flippant, I have had this same discussion on multiple occasions--lengthy ones--with our rabbi.

I hold out for the ambitious djinn in a Bleeped texttim-wood box theory. Rabbi postulates that space aliens messing with us (or conducting an experiment, which is much the same thing) is as valid an explanation.

No, he's not Reform; he's Conservative.

Allen

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 1:03 p.m. PST

A word from the Bible gets bleeped! Amazing. It's acacia, as well.

Allen

ThorLongus Inactive Member14 Aug 2009 4:54 p.m. PST

well Allen, thanks..a treasure trove of info. I think I lean towards the space aliens (Anunakki) mentioned supposedly in the sumerian texts who created homosapiens by admixing their dna with primitive man… after all Gilgamesh defeated a killer robot didn't he

aecurtis Fezian Inactive Member16 Aug 2009 1:21 p.m. PST

You are correct! The Anunnaki exhibited many of the characteristics common to the "ancient astronaut" mythos. The Babylonians had a very different world view--and yet so much of it is carried forward into more modern belief systems. And that's all I'd better say about that!

Allen

Come In Nighthawk12 Aug 2017 6:44 p.m. PST

A complete range in 28mm? E.G., Foundry seems to make a single pack with only four distinct figures?

Tarantella12 Aug 2017 10:37 p.m. PST

Cutting Edge miniatures being sold now by Warlord Games do a very nice range of suitable Middle Bronze age figures which are cheaper than the Iron Winds 'Ral Partha' models.


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