| Craig Grady | 07 Aug 2009 6:11 p.m. PST |
Hi all I am not sure when this will hit the news but our website has been launched and we are now ready to take pre-orders. Thanks for looking link Craig @ Critical Mass Games |
| Cacique Caribe | 07 Aug 2009 6:22 p.m. PST |
Beautiful. Absolutely beautiful figures. I have my eye on the light recon troops: link Question: Each set has 8 figures for £3.20 GBP . Is that within the typical rate? Is that like $.75 USD per figure here in the US? Or is that because people in Europe are automatically charged VAT? CC |
| Eli Arndt | 07 Aug 2009 6:31 p.m. PST |
The aliens there are what intrigues me. As good as the human forces are, they are not that different from the stuff that has already been released by other companies (still want some) but the aliens are incredibly cool and seem to be diverse enough to really allow for any alien play style. Looks to be a good range with a nice amount of diversity within the various lines. -Eli
leadpeople.blogspot.com |
| Cacique Caribe | 07 Aug 2009 6:34 p.m. PST |
The Praesentia do look awesome: link CC |
| Craig Grady | 07 Aug 2009 6:41 p.m. PST |
Thank you for your comments. £3.20 GBP by 8 figures works out at £0.40 GBP a miniature, using this site for an exchange rate xe.com/ucc thats $0.67 USD per figure to the US. We do not have a high enough turn over to be VAT registered and therefore do not add VAT so I am not sure what you getting at? Prices for 15mm Sci-fi vary from company to company ranging typically from £0.30 GBP to £0.50 GBP per miniature if you are after a comparison. Craig @ Critical Mass Games |
| Dragon Gunner | 07 Aug 2009 6:50 p.m. PST |
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| Cacique Caribe | 07 Aug 2009 6:51 p.m. PST |
"Prices for 15mm Sci-fi vary from company to company ranging typically from £0.30 GBP GBP to £0.50 GBP GBP per miniature if you are after a comparison." That's what I needed. Some comparison basis. I'm new to 15mm anyway. "We do not have a high enough turn over to be VAT registered and therefore do not add VAT so I am not sure what you getting at?" I didn't know. I sometimes hear that prices for some products overseas includes VAT. I thought I'd ask. Thanks. CC |
| battlepack2001 | 07 Aug 2009 6:55 p.m. PST |
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| Craig Grady | 07 Aug 2009 6:59 p.m. PST |
Rules is something we are working towards. |
| jpattern2 | 07 Aug 2009 7:13 p.m. PST |
I have to admit, if I didn't already have so much invested in 25mm-28mm sci-fi, I'd give these a whirl. And I might still, at some point. |
| shelldrake | 07 Aug 2009 7:22 p.m. PST |
I will be looking forward to seeing the release of the alien ranges  |
| JRacel | 07 Aug 2009 7:29 p.m. PST |
I know absolutely where I will be sending money soon. You people are going to kill my marriage . . . . . . What I am VERY glad to see is free shipping on orders over £20.00. I was expecting to need to wait and order at one time, but this means I can order several times in smaller amounts without shipping eating me alive. This is a WONDERFUL idea in pricing!!! (Sure my wife will be less happy about it!) Looking great guys! Jeff (Ok, I placed my order and even told my wife before doing so. She wanted me to look over a journal article she has written, so I did not get a lot of negative feedback about ordering. Now, I just have to see about next month . . . and the next . . . and the next . . . ) |
| Bravo Six | 07 Aug 2009 8:00 p.m. PST |
I'm very excited about the release of these figures! I've been pouring over the Dropship Horizon website over the past month with baited breath waiting for pics and updates! I'm sure glad I didn't invest very heavily in 28mm sci-fi or in other 15mm ranges at this point. Keep up the good work CMG and I'm looking forward to the first pack releases. -B6 |
| CMikeHardy | 07 Aug 2009 8:38 p.m. PST |
These look GREAT! I love the Dog Guys. They are definitely going to be a must have for me. Great work! |
| Stinger Six | 07 Aug 2009 10:11 p.m. PST |
Fantastic set of minis. Really looking forward to seeing these ranges expand. I think you guys have a real hit on your hands! |
| Dropship Horizon | 07 Aug 2009 10:52 p.m. PST |
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| Phil Walling | 08 Aug 2009 1:13 a.m. PST |
Top stuff.. i think my resolve not to get back into 15mm has just died… :) |
| GeoffQRF | 08 Aug 2009 5:03 a.m. PST |
Each set has 8 figures for £3.20 £3.20 GBP for 8? Wow… Nice figures, but wow. Prices for 15mm Sci-fi vary from company to company ranging typically from £0.30 GBP GBP to £0.50 GBP GBP per miniature if you are after a comparison. Peter Pig are at £2.30, GZG are £2.50. We are still at £2.00. Rebel Minis are $10.95 USD for 21 (equivalent of $4.17 USD for 8, or £2.50 GBP at today's conversion). Who is charging 50p a figure?? We do not have a high enough turn over to be VAT registered and therefore do not add VAT so I am not sure what you getting at? Overseas shipping should not include VAT. VAT registered companies deduct the VAT for customers outside the UK/EU, so that would reduce it by (currently) 15%… but only if the company had a sufficently high turnover to be VAT registered. VAT threshold is currently a turnover of £67k pa. Very few wargames companies are (although they can volunteer to be VAT registered even if below the threshold). I believe Peter Pig is VAT registered, which is why they charge a higher rate* *Having said that, I can't see that it says they are on their website. |
| skinkmasterreturns | 08 Aug 2009 5:37 a.m. PST |
I dont think the prices are too high-In fact,I'd say they're competitive. |
| GeoffQRF | 08 Aug 2009 5:46 a.m. PST |
I dont think the prices are too high-In fact, I'd say they're competitive. With whom? :-) Just checked Flames of War – approx £2.08 GBP for 8. Who is charging more than £3.00 GBP for 8? (That's a serious question as maybe we need to think about raising prices!) |
| Leutenant Brittan | 08 Aug 2009 6:29 a.m. PST |
Hi! I believe that Green Eyed Miniatures a bit more expensive coming in at £4.00 GBP for 8 15mm scale miniatures… The Critical Mass stuff is a bit pricey but the quality is excellent. |
| Hybrid | 08 Aug 2009 8:42 a.m. PST |
Xyston £3.25 GBP for 8 infantry.
Mirliton £3.75 GBP for 8 infantry.
Venexia £3.50 GBP for 8 infantry. Edited to add: I think that the CM figures look splendid and I think I will be ordering some. I can't wait for the aliens to come out as well. Well done CM. |
| DAKRommel | 08 Aug 2009 8:52 a.m. PST |
Are there going to be any packs of the ARC Fleet troops with belt fed/SAW type support weapons? |
| Dropship Horizon | 08 Aug 2009 9:13 a.m. PST |
Are there going to be any packs of the ARC Fleet troops with belt fed/SAW type support weapons? Yes, the second release includes a standard infantry pack of auto-cannon gunnners. I'm going to use these with the Recon Troops. However I have left a suggestion on the CMG forum to have the Recon reinforced with SAWs, Comms etc – link Cheers
Mark |
| CATenWolde | 08 Aug 2009 9:22 a.m. PST |
Fantastic figures, with just the right mix of hard and fantastic elements. I especially like the obvious effort that's gone into designing (and actually producing!) a full range of coherent figures of different types. I have a large assortment of GZG figures that I'm going to organize into combined "Imperial" forces to oppose these fellows. I also have a sneaking suspicion that Rebel Minis marines will fit these as a lower tech "occupation army" sort of force. |
| Dropship Horizon | 08 Aug 2009 9:26 a.m. PST |
"The Critical Mass stuff is a bit pricey but the quality is excellent." I'll wait till I have the figs in my hand before I say the quality is excellent. Certainly impressive sculpts from the photos CMG have shared with us so far. £3.20 GBP per pack means we have 30 new packs of 15mm Sci Fi miniatures by Christmas and CMG can sustain that level of output through to April bringing 4 new ranges online – whole ranges not just individual packs – I think it's worth it. I AM prepared to pay £3.20 GBP for Sci Fi human military figures I really want than £2.00 GBP or £2.30 GBP for those I'll never touch. Cheers
Mark |
| Eli Arndt | 08 Aug 2009 10:03 a.m. PST |
Based on what I am seeing here price-wise, CMG is priced at the low end of the high end of the 15mm price scale. I'd also say that I'm willing to pay for quality AND variety. If paying a little more means the ability to sustain their plans for a line with a lot of variety as well as quality, then I'm not overly bothered by the price. -Eli |
| Top Gun Ace | 08 Aug 2009 11:37 a.m. PST |
The new figures look very nice (the suit designs look great), but the poses are a bit too similar for my tastes, especially the foot positions. I would like to see a bit more variety, and more dynamic poses, e.g. running, firing, right foot in front of left, etc., especially at the given price level. I also prefer four unique poses (no more than two figs of the same pose, per bag), out of a set of eight, not that anyone cares….. |
| Leutenant Brittan | 08 Aug 2009 12:59 p.m. PST |
I'll wait till I have the figs in my hand before I say the quality is excellent. Certainly impressive sculpts from the photos CMG have shared with us so far. All too true! Hopefully the actual miniatures will be of the same quality as the pics from the website! |
| CPBelt | 08 Aug 2009 2:52 p.m. PST |
Warning: Criticism Ahead! I'm coming a bit late to this party. I like the recon troops. However, check this photo of the drop troops. picture I do not like the leg pose of the far right and far left soldiers. The extended leg is too long from the looks of it. The leg is awkwardly positioned as well. Reminds me of Old Glory in some respects. The same goes for the same figure in the other pack. picture I will pass on the drop troops. I'll probably pick up the recon troops and heavy troops. I wish the support packs would have been done. I'll looking forward to the aliens except the lizards--those suits do nothing for me. |
| khurasanminiatures | 08 Aug 2009 4:19 p.m. PST |
The stuff looks great! Good luck with your enterprise. |
| Eli Arndt | 08 Aug 2009 4:39 p.m. PST |
@CPBelt – though that is a bit concerning, I'd still like to get some "in the flesh" testimonials before I condemn them. Also, I am a bit hesitant to judge the imperfections of a super close-up pic (congrats on the level of detail in that pic) of a small scale mini that is likely to look perfectly normal to the naked eye and at proper "table distance". They still look good, cleanly sculpted and I do like the armor and weapons. -Eli |
| GeoffQRF | 08 Aug 2009 4:46 p.m. PST |
Despite my comments on pricing earlier, I do think they are very nice looking figures. |
| Privateer4hire | 08 Aug 2009 7:50 p.m. PST |
Nice looking models. I like the ones that are recon-ny the best. I am also angry at all the 15mm producers for dogpiling me with new stuff like this. :) |
| Dropship Horizon | 09 Aug 2009 5:20 a.m. PST |
Just out of interest here are some current 15mm Sci Fi comparative prices: Battlestations: 4 figs for $6.00 USD
CMG: 8 figs for £3.20 GBP
Eureka 8 figs for £3.40 GBP
Green Eyed Minis: 8 figs for £4.00 GBP
GZG: 8 figs for £2.50 GBP
15mm.co.uk (HOF) 10 figs for £3.50 GBP
15mm.co.uk (Laserburn) 1 fig for 30p
Irregular Minis: 1 fig for 25p
Khurasan: 5 trooper minis for $2.99 USD
Khurasan: 8 Space Demons for $5.99 USD
Kremlin: 6 figs for £2.20 GBP
Old Crow: 6 figs for £2.50 GBP
Pole Bitwy (Not available yet)
QRF: 8-9 figs for £2.00 GBP
RAFM: 10 figs for $5.95Cnd
Rebel Minis: 21 figs for $10.95 USD
Splintered Light: 6 figs for $5.00 USD
Spriggan: 6 Spugs for £1.25 GBP
Stan Johannsen: 10 figs for $10.00 USD
Critter Commandos: 10 figs for $8.99 USD
Peter Pig: 8 figs for £2.30 GBP
The Scene: 10 figs for £3.00 GBP
Force XXI (?)
Aphidsmith: 32 figs for $8.99 USD Cheers
Mark |
| GeoffQRF | 09 Aug 2009 5:45 a.m. PST |
Or to put those into a direct pence/figure comparison: Battlestations: 90p each – wow, and they are thin
CMG: 40p
Eureka: 42.5p
Green Eyed Minis: 50p
GZG: 31p
15mm.co.uk (HOF): 35p
15mm.co.uk (Laserburn): 30p
Irregular Minis: 25p
Khurasan: 36p
Khurasan: 45p
Kremlin: 36p
Old Crow: 42p
QRF: 25p
RAFM: 33p
Rebel Minis: 31p
Splintered Light: 49p
Spriggan: 21p
Stan Johannsen: 59p
Critter Commandos: 54p
Peter Pig: 29p
The Scene: 30p
Aphidsmith: 17p Average of 36.19p (ignoring the obviously anomoly at the top)
Hmm, maybe I need to go back and look at our pricing |
| Warbeads | 09 Aug 2009 5:55 a.m. PST |
Nice list. Does Stan Johansen still sell 15mm? I think so but he cut out a lot of stuff in the recent past (FGU Space Marines aliens (Rauwoof/Blarad/etc.) for example. Since I am getting out of 15mm I have no dog in this fight. I guess I'm spoiled by the Olde School/GZG 25mm single figure posing approach. 8 figures, 3-4 poses per set takes it out of the burning interest level. ARC fleet,are…okay to good. Yes, the legs on a few figures are odd but I consider them humanoid or third sigma body types. Khanate figures are interesting dogs/wolves/canine figures. A step above man in rubber suit and mask. Not quite sure what to make of the Dominion. Is the first drawing an armored lizard then why do the PA – Power Armor – looking figures show suits where vision is blocked so tightly restricted or are those small tubes weapons? If the latter where are the vison ports? Are there two sizes (last picture) of "PA" type figures? The Praesentia seem like Skinnies Redux. Still unsure about those… Time will tell. Obviously the majority of the respondents were enthusiastc. Hopefully that will convert into buying the figures. Are there multiple races (based on size variation) in the Praesentia and Dominion or does size present maturity/social status/genetic engineering? Gracias, Glenn |
| Dropship Horizon | 09 Aug 2009 6:14 a.m. PST |
Or to put those into a direct pence/figure comparison Thanks Geoff!!! Cheers
Mark |
| GeoffQRF | 09 Aug 2009 6:22 a.m. PST |
Working between xe.com and a calculator to do that. :-) |
| Top Gun Ace | 09 Aug 2009 3:58 p.m. PST |
Glad to see the future products info. The design for the grav tank looks very nice to me. I like the larger turret, and the rakish, forward placement of it on the hull. That makes it a bit different than the other products on the market currently, which is a good thing, since variety is always appreciated. |
| ZeroGee2 | 10 Aug 2009 11:12 a.m. PST |
Geoff kindly worked out: "Or to put those into a direct pence/figure comparison:
GZG: 31p" …actually 27p to USA and other non-EU customers, once we've deducted the VAT! ;-) Good luck to CMG, by the way – hopefully the more good 15mm there is out there, the more folks will move over to the scale and the better sales will be for us all! :-) Jon (GZG) |
| GeoffQRF | 10 Aug 2009 12:23 p.m. PST |
Sorry Jon, wasn't aware you were VAAT registered (that'll drop my average slightly too) Geoff |
| John Bear Ross | 10 Aug 2009 3:20 p.m. PST |
I enjoy how 15mm is getting a breath of fresh air. The tide is rising, and bringing up all the boats with it. Good luck to all. Best,
JBR |
Splintered Light Miniatures  | 12 Aug 2009 12:43 p.m. PST |
Also, please note that the 2 packs of sci-fi Splintered Light has are personality packs. My typical cost for packs is $8 USD for 12 figures or $.67 USD apiece. |
| Cacique Caribe | 26 Aug 2009 8:25 a.m. PST |
Just ordered the Critical Mass recons. One of each of their 4 sets. Can't wait to see them. CC |
| Dropship Horizon at Work | 26 Aug 2009 8:45 a.m. PST |
Critical mass Recons are brilliant – you won't be disapointed. can I just add about the cost of figures. Basing comparison costs on pack price is not truly represenetative. Firts, postage and packaing makes a big difference and ultimately effects the price per figures. Secondly, and this is a personal thing to each of us, whilst some will be happy with every figure in a pack, some (eg me) won't. That pack of 8 figures may actually only be 6 that you want or will use. I've bought packs before now for just 1 extra leader figure so I can have a platoon leader. That vicariously pushed up the base figure cost of that platoon. Cheers
Mark |
| Cacique Caribe | 26 Aug 2009 8:52 a.m. PST |
Mark, I agree with you. There are times when I order packs from someone and, upon seeing them in person, find myself only being able to use a half or 3/4 of them. CC |
| Eli Arndt | 26 Aug 2009 9:18 a.m. PST |
Mark & CC, Though that's an interestig point, that's more of a value choice than a price issue. Those same figures that you choose not to use might be perfectly fine for others and the ones you do choose to use might not pass the grade for another buyer. Value choices are sometimes inherrant in a product, such as in a line of miniatures designed for a specific set of rules. In these cases, the value of the miniatures comes not just from the quality and such but also in how much of the game you can play for the cost. This last point is ONE of the things that got me out of GW games even though I still play other games where I might pay the same, if not more, per figure. It all comes down to this question, "How much will I be able to do with the $X that I just spent on this game". -Eli |
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