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Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP27 Jul 2009 10:40 p.m. PST

Has anyone used "Sword" rules for the Highlander/ Jaccobian rebellions?

Royal Marine27 Jul 2009 11:56 p.m. PST

Not in the 19th Century Board I suspect!

Grizwald28 Jul 2009 5:06 a.m. PST

Why not? It seems to work (with a little tweaking) for just about everything else!!

John the OFM28 Jul 2009 7:28 a.m. PST

With absolutely no tweaking, I have run TSATF games set in the American Revolution.
For the Wyoming Massacre, I rated both Butler's Rangers and Johnson's Greens as Egyptians.
I rated the Seneca Indians as Pathans, and the Cayuga as Dervishes. Slight differences, and purely to make them different. Zulu rating would have worked equally well.

For the Americans, I rated the mythical small company of the 24th Connecticut as Egyptians, and the settlers as Boers.
Both times I ran this battle, the end result was eerily "historic", down to Colonel Dennison swimming the Susquehanna to escape.

Judging by my experience, I would rate the British at Prestonpans as Egyptians, or worse. Adjust morale to please.
British at Culloden, rate as … wait for it … British!

Play with the Highlanders as you wish. Rate some clans as Zulus, some as Dervish, some as Pathans, and some as Egyptians, depending on your research and opinions. This will give you all kinds of options. Heck, the rules really slime Bashi Bazouks, and some clans can be just as bad.

I play face cards on hits to mean "whatever troops the shooter wants to kill", since these represent aimed/lucky shots. You will want to work this out when you have clans with mixed weapons. Front rank with muskets, rear ranks with melee weapons. I might even change the "face card" hits to red/black for when you have 50% of each weapon type.
In this case, "even" hearts are kills, as are even spades.

British must of course guard prisoners, just as in TSATF.

You can adjust the HTH table as you wish. For example, give the British at Prestonpans no bonuses for standing to receive in line, but give the British at Culloden plusses for advanced bayonet training.
If you believe in the ferocious Highland charge, adjust accordingly, or just use the Zulu, etc. ranking.

If I ever get my own figures painted, this is what I intend to do.

Mad Guru28 Jul 2009 9:24 a.m. PST

Haven't done it myself but there is an official published version covering the French & Indian War, so it could certainly be done. The system lends itself to virtually any "Regular" vs. "Irregular" style of warfare.

docdennis196828 Jul 2009 10:11 a.m. PST

TSATF can be modified to just about any "horse and musket/rifle" period with some study and tweaking. That's not the question at all, the question is whether you like the scale and mechanics of the rules in the first place. I do, but thats just me, if you like the system in the first place ,then modifying it to "45" is a piece of cake, and good luck with your project!

Personal logo Bobgnar Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2009 11:18 a.m. PST

Keep in mind that the game is intended for a colonial environment which has a superior technological force pitted against a lesser endowed force, in the latter's enviroment so there can be ambushes. I always thought the Brits vs Boers to be the weakest TSAF matchup as both were technologically equal and the Boers were not ambushing Brits like Zulus and Pathans would. Likewise, more so maybe, for the Brits and 1885 Egyptians.

That said, the Jacobites are somewhat at a lower tech level, on average. Not all troops were musket armed, so one premise is met. How to fight the battles is then a problem. Stand up fights such as Cullodon do not seem interesting using TSATF. Howerver, a couple of companies of Brits searching the countryside for rebels might work.

One colonial game I did with TSATF was Romans vs ancient Britons, in Britian. A nice role reversal for the British --being the native peoples.

panzerjager28 Jul 2009 11:40 a.m. PST

I know this may be sliding off topic a bit… However, I have been using Washington's Fury and Southern Fury rules from those great guys at Ambler's Gamers.

When I considered the 1798 Irish rebellion I thought of using a variant of Washington's Fury instead of TSATF. I thought this would accommodate the well armed British and mixed armed Irish (Éire go brách).

You might consider these also for your Jacobites.

If you like the more scattered look of TSATF, as certain castings "linger" behind the charge, the "Fury" games are not for you.

I love TSATF and play it often. I just thought this might be an alternative for you.

Just my tuppence's worth.

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PzJ

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP28 Jul 2009 10:36 p.m. PST

Nice input by all. Thanks to John especially.

John the OFM29 Jul 2009 7:05 a.m. PST

British must of course guard prisoners, just as in TSATF.

I meant to say "wounded", rather than "prisoners", but I guess both will do! grin

Uesugi Kenshin Supporting Member of TMP29 Jul 2009 1:23 p.m. PST

Theres sure to plenty a both.

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