"I am sick and tired of gamers with superiority complexes!!!!" Topic

WoW…this is longest thread I've ever read on TMP that did not revolve around GW…rock on!!

We could make it revolve around GW if required…

The "superiority complexes" of gaming, be they System Snobbery ( a term from the early 80's), miniature envy, or one of the mechanical holy wars (bell curve vs flat, class&level vs point&skill, each edition of D&D vs every other edition of D&D) have been going on a loong time. One argu.. ahem, discussion on a board like this will not end them.

Yep.

Sounds GREAT ! You wouldn't happen to have an old copy
you'd care to sell me, would you ? Always up for a
historically-accurate, fun simulation of that period !

You can pick a copy at your local hobby shop, if they don't have a copy it is acceptable to take all the miniature game rules they do stock and throw them at the sales clerk declaring that the authors of the rules are nothing but hacks and plagiarists.

Marx Fort Huachuca playset, with the zombie linguists,
fetish zombies, and zombie pole-dancers (for the Master
Baiters out there…) ?

The Fort Huachuca playset is not acceptable those figures are 22.5 and ¼ mm, the only ONE figures used are the Private Games Foundry Hassleless Scorpion figures featuring the Purple featureless broomhandle wielding Nazi Gnomes in assless chaps.

OMG!! Only jerks play the 4th edition…REAL gamers play the 5th edition where they added one-legged Amazon strippers with poison daggers and a revised point system…geez.

You my man are completely and utterly wrong. Now I HAVE to show my complete superiority with added smugness. The 5th edition rules were written by Gygax Pratt Steve NOT Gary Fletcher Jackson!

The 5th edition rules is where they dropped the Tall hat and cod piece wearing, flamboyant big nosed Giant faction.
They also used the hot candle wax method of combat resolution, vastly inferior to the " where did you hide that sharp pointy thing on/in your body" method.
The 5th edition rules also dropped the "Eye for an Eye" rules for player resolution of rule arguments.
They also introduced the armpit hair removal method of intuitive.
Also the Amazon Strippers with poison daggers were nothing but a rip-off of the HOT cops armed with raspberry lollypops, and clubfeet faction introduced and dropped in second edition!
You sir! Should be ashamed for even implying that there was a 5th edition.
If you would be so kind as to respond to the post with your home address we will send the TMP police to your home for a proper beating.

I think "A page too far" was some sort of Congressional scandal. Were you involved in that John?

This topic is a big reason why I play solo.

So we're not good enough for you, eh?

Two Owl Bob said:

I have played at rather stuffy clubs where fielding a unit with not quite the correct colour lace will get you ostracised, in other words social death.

Can you cite an actual example? I think that it is time to name and shame the clubs or individuals who do this. I've heard people talking about such stuffed shirts, but have never ever heard anyone get in a huff over the correct colors, uniforms, lace etc in my 20+ years of wargaming.

All tongue in cheek, of course.

Nice rant John – best damned rant of the year, so far.

CRITTER 1 27 Jul 2009 5:15 p.m. PST

Top of the head – what do you think I am some kind of wargaming banana ?

Actually I thought you were more of a wargaming zucchini.

Large and Green ? Doesn't sound like me….or does it….?

And on another point :

There's no need for newbie gamers to feel disinfranchised because they haven't been gaming for umpty thirty years and don't have the old rules because thanks to :

link

you can buy them now. You didn't miss out after all !!

So, go and buy them, NOW, and you'll see why they were the best of times (or, oh, maybe they were the worst of times…no, that's silly they were definetly the best of times)

Picture the scene – Ilkeston Wargames Club 1982, new bob turns up with a copy of the Airfix guide to Napoleonic Wargaming and some nondescript 15mm blobs painted in vaguely french colours.

"Bloody hell, another one who knows nothing about painting. Did you paint them for a joke or are you really that ignorant about drummers uniforms?"

"I'm not having them near mine, you can play on that table over there with the other new guy"

"Have you heard of research? This is wargaming, not playing soldiers you know"

After a second night of such abuse by people with beer bellies and poor personal hygiene I went off to play D&D with the other misfits. It led to a lifetime of debauchery, Satanism and rock'n'roll so I guess I ought to be grateful.

It's a shame they all died from septic papercuts caused by frantically scrabbling through the same book on Neapolitan Buttons December 1803 – June 1804…mwuah-hah-hah-haaaaaah!

"Have you heard of research? This is wargaming, not playing soldiers you know"

Shows how much they knew. Idiots…

<This Space Still for Rent>

Wow, we haven't had this much excitement on this place in a long time.

How about a superior quote?

Have a plan to kill everyone you meet today.

If the object of the game is to win, why play by the rules?

We are grown "men" and "women" playing with little toy soldiers, we are not normal.

"Purple featureless broomhandle wielding Nazi Gnomes in assless chaps."

That one got me…soda on the monitor.Thanks Doug.:)

One only true rule set is Gary Fletcher Jackson's
WWII.5 Zombie SS Ninja Super Cat-girl Abstract Giant
Robot Leather fetish Cowboy Rampage 4th edition.

Poser. Everyone who plays that is a total sell-out.

After a second night of such abuse by people with beer bellies and poor personal hygiene I went off to play D&D with the other misfits. It led to a lifetime of debauchery, Satanism and rock'n'roll so I guess I ought to be grateful.

The same thing happened to me! Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to pick up some cheese doodles and Valejo paints for the coven meeting tonight!

Are you talking about a complex that is superior in your bound or mine?

Guess page 4 will be ambling along sometime soon, huh ?

Waco Joe beat me to the "A Page Too Far" snappy come back. That make Hulk mad. Hulk Smash.
I'm going out for Chinese, some body PM me if this goes to 4 pages please.
Hulk like Chinese. An hour after he smash, he wanna smash again.

Sorry Critter, have some kung pao shrimp on me.

The Bug!!!!! it followed me from the Chinese restaurant.
Hulk hate bug Hulk smash!!!!!!!

Get you tutsi fruitsi right here! I'm 202 ,never been 202 before.

Hulk happy now.

Page 4!
I will now thank Connard Sage.

Be sure to thank him "properly".

Hey Inari 7: They also used the hot candle wax method of combat resolution, vastly inferior to the " where did you hide that sharp pointy thing on/in your body" method.
The 5th edition rules also dropped the "Eye for an Eye" rules for player resolution of rule arguments.
Gotcha! They still allow the I4anI resolution on Thursdays (unless it's trash pick up day). So…THERE!!

By the way…just what exactly is an "OFM?"

How the heck did this reach four pages?

FWIW ALL my games are always superior to any other rules.

Just thought I would let you know that.
VR
James Mattes

Not only has it reached Page 4, it has also beeen Bug mutated, as it is now on Ancients Discussion!

well this is a pretty ancient discussion.

If you guys were talking about actual wargames, and not just war themed games, I might agree.

I can't believe I wasted my day over in the Points thread while all the cool kids were in this one. Thanks guys.

- Bob

Awful lot of Shias in this post, whips anyone?

Too late, I'm sulking

The term "superiority complex", in everyday usage, refers to an overly high opinion of oneself; in psychology, it refers to the unrealistic and exaggerated belief that one is better than others. In some people, this develops as a way to compensate for unconscious feelings of low self-esteem or inadequacy. For example, bullies who push other children around act like they are stronger and smarter than others their age. Sometimes, the reality is that they simply have low self-esteem and bully others in order to compensate for their perceived lack of self worth.

They can't help themselves.

Perhaps if each gaming club offered pysch care as a health benefit or offered free evaluations.

Downside, no more battalions of tiger tanks or French Imperial Guard armies. Not to mention cheese or ringer armies and figures. Miniature companies would only produce line troops.

Can we get to five???

If I understand sneakgun correctly, and I think I do, I may have to reconsider…

> The term "superiority complex", in everyday usage,
> refers to an overly high opinion of oneself; in
> psychology, it refers to the unrealistic and
> exaggerated belief that one is better than others.
> In some people, this develops as a way to compensate
> for unconscious feelings of low self-esteem or inadequacy.

So long as…

1) Ones high opinion of oneself is accurate and not overly high;
2) One is not unrealistic believing one is better than others;
3) One does not exaggerate the ways in which he/she is better than others;
4) One does not compensate for low self-esteem or feelings of inadequacy;

…then one isn't suffering from a clinical or a lay case of a superiority complex.

I am cured! This is great news. (I retract my earlier statements.)

I don't like complex. I want a Superiority Simple… simplex… Whatever. I want to just know that I am better and not bother explaining to you lot how I got there.

Oh bobstro, you simple, simple man. It saddens me that you are unable to appreciate a good complex.

John,
I have to scratch my head at your initial post. Showing disapproval or even distain for a set of rules or system can be done in good taste and bad taste.

I feel that the ones in bad taste may make you think someone has a trait of superiority. But maybe it is just that they are unable to express themselves better?

Every player has systems that they like and others that they just cannot understand how someone could play. A person willing to express such a strong position cannot be persuaded to chang (sorta like a political argument).

Anyway some good comments in the thread and some not so helpful or informative.

Some nights, I just want to demonstrate how superior I am, impress the common folk with my superior (and highly accurate) paint jobs, overwhelm the crowd with my encyclopedic knowledge, crush all opponents and get home at a reasonable hour. I've found that loaded dice help expedite the process. And earmuffs. Simple works!

RudyNelson wrote:

[…] Every player has systems that they like and others that they just cannot understand how someone could play. A person willing to express such a strong position cannot be persuaded to chang (sorta like a political argument).

Which is fine, until they jump into a positive discussion and start declaring that those who disagree are wrong. I respect the opinions of others, and find I agree with most posters here on TMP on many things. But when one of the "any player that uses <whatever> are wrong" diatribes starts, I will respond.

I think George Carlin's line on religion can be adapted here: "Game mechanics are like a lift in your shoe. If you find one that makes you feel good, fine. But don't start forcing me to wear one, and for God's sake, don't start hammering lifts onto the feet of the natives!"

Anyway some good comments in the thread and some not so helpful or informative.

Yes, well I'm not responsible for those other guys. :)

- Bob

sneakgun wrote:

Perhaps if each gaming club offered pysch care as a health benefit or offered free evaluations.

Just padding the walls would be cheaper!

"Five is right out!"…

"No matter where you go, there you are"….

ah Bobstro, when you mentioned George Carlin I thought you were going for his immortal observation on stuff:

"Have you noticed that their stuff is and your is stuff?"

Seems to apply to game preferences.

Um Dude your post 152 and 153…… Your just on page 4…

Okay so I can't multiply (numbers).
Hulk sad now.

Superiority Simplex…

That's got to be better than Herpes simplex…
(ducks)

Can we get to five???

I

think