"Fall In 2010 at the Host?!?!..." Topic

Panceri2,
I've heard from a couple of sources that there will be a FOW and a GW tournament at Historicon 2010, both having 100 tables.

Yes, that's right, a Games Worshop tournament, so much for the H as in Historical in HMGS.

Also, I have hear the same as you have that a fall back plan is to go back to the Host in 2012, the dates are already reserved and as you said, the trigger needs to be pullled asap after Historicon 2010.

This whole thing seems off center; is HMGS 100% committed to this move and if so, why the fall back plan? If you're going to move the flagship convention of HMGS, you'd better be 1,000% sure it's a go, full steam ahead, no turning back proposition, not a "well I think I kind of sort of maybe want to do this."

It's like someone who's dating a pretty girl and is getting ready to dump her for a supermodel, but needs to know first from the pretty girl if she'll take you back if things don't work out with the supermodel.

Although the way some describe the Host (let's call it a dump for the 4,959,234th time in a thread why don't we), instead of a pretty girl, it's a mail order bride that showed up postage due……….

Okay, if you insist on comparing crime stats between East Lampeter Township and the City of Baltimore, here is a link for you to use. link

Using the City of Lancaster for crime stats for surrounding areas is like using Baltimore's stats for Timonium. I found it interesting that the township lists their crimes. Definitely not an action taken in an area with a lot of crime.

Frankly, I could care less about the crime stats, I just get tired of seeing communities lumped together with others.

While I like Gettysburg, I also like Lancaster. Fall In at the Host is not such a bad thing for me. But – Halloween Weekend? Sheesh! Maybe 2011…

I agree with Double G on the dump argument. I don't like the The Host, but I don't have to stay there. The new Comfort Suites is very nice and I'll be staying there from now on. The Host has several drawbacks – my biggest complaint is the lighting in 90% of the gaming spaces is terrible (actually more than terrible). However, other than that, I can deal with the issues. I think the major thing for Historicon is the lack of space. They've just plum run out of it, even with the addition of a pro shop, gift shop and tent.

One good thing about the BCC is that the lighting should be better (emphasis on should) and there will be more rooms with natural light.

"Has Antietam ever been considered for Fall In at any point?"

Sounds like a good idea to look into. Could be fun.

Using the City of Lancaster for crime stats for surrounding areas is like using Baltimore's stats for Timonium.

OK, let's take a look. According to FBI stats, East Lampeter has a crime rate for property crimes 1.34 times the National Average.

Lancaster (the city) has a property crime rate of 1.23 times the National Average, so it's lower than East Lampeter. [Supporting my earlier assertion that touristy areas with shopping outlets, etc. have a disproportionate amount of property crimes than one might otherwise think].

Baltimore has a property crime rate of is 1.32 times the National Average. So, the property crime rates are comparable overall with East Lampeter.

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Violent crime rates are another matter. I have always been talking about property crime rates since I first pointed out to others that Lancaster (and now East Lampeter) is not really all that different than Baltimore when it comes to thefts, etc. I raised the point only for the purpose of illustrating that using "crime stats" is not so clear cut and probably not a strong basis with which to poo-poo Baltimore altogether. Also, since the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by gangs against gangs, etc.--drug trafficking related, and, the BCC and Inner Harbor area apparently are quite a bit safer than other sections of the city, Baltimore probably is not all that different as far as safety than Lancaster and East Lampeter.

My area of NJ has a crime rate considerably lower than the national average, around 27%, so maybe Historicon should move there? Lancaster and East Lampeter are far too dangerous!

Looks like property crime in Lancaster is more than twice that of NYC! Violent crime is also a lot less. See, I'm safer staying in NYC than I am in the burbs.

"I don't like the Host, but I don't have to stay there…."

Bingo, NYC wins the prize.

There are plenty of other hotels to stay at (but most of those are dunps too according to So What), so why all the complaining? If you don't like it there, stay somewhere else.

Although you raise a good point on the lighting issue, which will not be an issue at the BCC as it is a CC and not a dump………….

…but most of those are dunps too according to So What.

Yup. But there are exceptions.

And, the same standard applies to Baltimore, right? If one does not like the cost of a particular hotel near the BCC (a common complaint), then he or she can stay further away to secure a hotel room with a similar ambiance as the Host, for instance.

Yeah, I'm sure those hotels out by the airport are four star award winners; they probably rent by the hour.

By comparison, the Host is the Ritz……………….

…they probably rent by the hour.

All the better for those who only need 3-4 hours of sleep each night. ;-)

Seriously, ever stay at a hotel near an airport; if the constant roar of jet engines as planes land and take off doesn't keep you up all night, the headboard banging off the wall all night in the room opposite yours on either side will.

Just what I want to do; leave my vehicle in the parking lot for five days and take the monorail a short 20 minutes to the BCC everyday.

Can just imagine the crowd riding that thing at 11:30 on a Friday or Saturday night heading away from the BCC and back to your fleabag hotel by the airport……….

<<<Can just imagine the crowd riding that thing at 11:30 on a Friday or Saturday night heading away from the BCC and back to your fleabag hotel by the airport……….>>>

Double G, you would fit right in! LMAO……

Double G – good point on the non-historical. Way back in this debate when it was just rumor there was discussion that the only way to really expand numbers significantly was more SF and fantasy. Now having committed to the move they are backfilling ways to call it a success.

Doug, I'd have fun on the trip back to say the least.

Civil, I guess they have to do what's necessary to make this work.

Perhaps they view bringing SF and Fantasy in as a way of promoting the hobby, although I was under the impression the corporate charters purpose was "To promote the hobby of HISTORICAL miniatures gaming"…………

Maybe NYC and I can start a campaign to move Historicon in 2013 to Antietam.

That would be outstanding………..

Darn… Fall In always falls on the New Jersey Teachers Convention weekend so I can go for a nice long four day trip…

Eh, if it isn't in Gettysburg I won't be going anyway I suppose:(

We are really pleased about the move back to the Host – better amenities and much easier roads than Gettysburg.

I'll have to miss 2010 because of the Halloween conflict but when it gets back to its old dates I'll be happy to go again.

Just some quick facts, which seem in short supply here:

The hotels around BWI are not "dumps." In fact, most are rather high end due to the defesne contractors surrounding the area. It is evident that most of you have never been there from such remarks. I know the area fairly well, and worked there for four years.

As to a convention at Antietam, just where on earth would that be held? There is no major hotel that could house such an endeavor any closer than Hagerstown, which is not Antietam.

I wish you guys would quit making stuff up. Now, about that idea of having it in Vegas, yeah baby! ;-)

HG: I had said the hotel listed in the green propaganda pamphlet at $45 USD a night was probably a dump. Now I have no specific knowledge, but let's get 10 people as a jury and I will be the most expensive dinner in Baltimore that the $45 USD place meets the crowd's definition of a dump.

I am not aware of any hotel in that area that meets what a reasonable person would say is a dump. That is unless you are Donald Trump, Does this hotel have a name?

By the way, I think the new dates for FI at the Host are probably the leftovers that no one else wanted. Just my opinion.

There was a hotel listed in the propaganda book for $45. USD If that is true I suspect it is a dump. Find a decent hotel in Baltimore for $45 USD a day and I will gladly admit I am wrong.

Totally agree on the FI dates. Definite leftovers

If the name of the hotel is listed then list it here and I will drive by and have a look, if it is near the airport.

I can't imagine any hotel downtown (in any city) for that price.

I was perusing that pamphlet last night. I believe the $45 USD option was the Red Roof Inn BWI. But it's going to be a long drive from there to Fall-In. That's the convention being discussed in this topic, right?

Double G 28 Jul 2009 2:57 p.m. PST wrote:
Seriously, ever stay at a hotel near an airport; if the constant roar of jet engines as planes land and take off doesn't keep you up all night, the headboard banging off the wall all night in the room opposite yours on either side will.

Okay I wanted to answer George on the BWI airport thing, but got busy with other Fall In! tasks the past few days.

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BWI airport area hotels. Most are just off Elkridge landing and or Nursery Road. I use to work at both AP20 and Fanx 2 in the same area. Noise from the airport is not a factor here. HMGS-East has had numerous off site meeting at the Hampton Inn on Elkridge Landing as well. All the hotels I know in the are nice chains with clean and modern rooms. I am not sure which Red Roof Inn has the 45 dollar rate however. There are a few older hotels in Lithicum which is the township the airport is in. They are located off Route 1 North of the airport. Hardly the "FLEA" bag motels as George would want you to believe.

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James Mattes

link

Better link with hotel locations on it.
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James Mattes

Can't seem to get the link to work right here is the listings:

BWI Airport Hotel Locations

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Created on Jan 4 – Updated Jan 4
BWI Sheraton
BWI Sheraton is the only BWI Onsite Hotel.

BWI Marriott
BWI Hilton
BWI Comfort Suites
BWI Red Roof Inn
BWI LaQuinta
BWI Country Inn & Suites
BWI Hampton Inn
Marriott Springhill Suites
BWI Holiday Inn
BWI Candlewood Suites
BWI Embassy Suites
BWI Staybridge Suites
Sheraton Hotel
BWI Westin Hotel
BWI Marriott Courtyard
BWI Hilton Homewood Suites
Homestead Studio Suites
Amerisuites
BWI Hilton Garden Inn
BWI Wingate Inn
Extended Stay America
BWI Microtel
BWI Marriott Residence Inn

I would also point out that while on flight status (1983-2002) I flew in and out of BWI all the time from the general Avn Svr side. Most approach and landings are done off the SE and East runways. I have rarely seen aircraft approach or take off off the NW active.

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James Mattes

Lovey,

If it doesn't have a high thread count and caviar on the breakfast buffet.

Thurston

Goldwyrm 31 Jul 2009 5:58 a.m. PST wrote:
… I believe the $45 USD USD option was the Red Roof Inn BWI. But it's going to be a long drive from there to Fall-In. …

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I think and know it is not. Exit nursery road to 295 10 minutes North bound right turn on Pratt steet, one block you are there. As I posted on the "If you move it they will come" thread from Hell it is 6 miles and 9 minutes:

Driving directions to S Howard St
6.6 mi – about 9 mins (up to 15 mins in traffic)
Suggested routes
MD-295 N

1. Head northeast on MD-295 N 6.4 mi
2. Turn right at W Camden St 0.2 mi
3. Turn left at S Howard St
Destination will be on the right 262 ft

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James Mattes

James, stop trying to confuse the issue with facts! You will destroy all the cool new worlds in my head.

Goldwyrm 31 Jul 2009 5:58 a.m. PST wrote:
… I believe the $45 USD USD USD option was the Red Roof Inn BWI. But it's going to be a long drive from there to Fall-In. …

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I think and know it is not. Exit nursery road to 295 10 minutes North bound right turn on Pratt steet, one block you are there. As I posted on the "If you move it they will come" thread from Hell it is 6 miles and 9 minutes:

Um…James, I said drive to Fall-In (Lancaster), not Historicon (BCC). It was a joke..get it?

Insert *Mattes*

Goldwyrm,

Argh! Hurting…my….head!

To quote "Homer"

DoH!

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James Mattes

Okay every one please post all future Hcon in BCC posting to the thread from Hell "move it and they will come" from now on. You guys are making my head hurt and I have had only one cup of coffee after a night of 30 year old rhum.
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James Mattes

The hotels I was referring to are La Quinta, Motel 6, Microtel and the Red Roof Inn, AVERAGE price 49.00 a night.

I'm sorry, but ANY hotel in 2010 that offers rooms for 49.00 a night is a dump. Spin it and sugar coat it anyway you want, but get real and stop with this nonsense.

I don't have to stay there to verify it either ok, you get what you pay for and I do a raftload of traveling each year and know a hotel that is 49.00 a night is a dump, so stop already with the foolishness.

If you told anyone with common sense "Hey, I am staying at a hotel that costs 49.00 a night", the response would be "What rat trap is that?"

Christ is this priceless.

Well I HAVE stated at the Microtel but only durning the day doing a urban warfare training exercise and we were using it as a safe house. Can't say what "nefarious" activities go on there if any at night.
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James Mattes

What is boring about this debate is the mindless pimping of everything to do with the poster's position on the move.

I will freely admit that BCC is a nicer facility that the Host. It is more convenient for flyers. The close in hotels, while likely more expensive, will also be nicer than the Host and its surrounding hotels. I think the move is stupid and a mistake but I can admit that some aspects of it are positive.

Now can someone in favor of the move admit that any hotel in an urban area that charges $45 USD a night is not very likely to be a very nice place? After all, many of you have your patrician sensibilities offended by the Host. I can't believe a sub-$50 flophouse at the airport is something you will defend as an answer.

After all, many of you have your patrician sensibilities offended by the Host. I can't believe a sub-$50 flophouse at the airport is something you will defend as an answer.

The Host and many of the surrounding motels are dumps. I tried most and gave up on them. Nothing to do with "patrician sensibilities"--more like staying in a place that does not have fleas, cockroaches, "tiny red bugs" on the "menu", does not smell like my basement in humid weather, and has a staff that cleans previous customer's feces out of the bathtub (yes, it happened at the "Quality" Inn last year).

I will not repeat those mistakes in Baltimore. So, no defense of less than $50 USD per night flop houses from me; I had enough experience with those accommodation types in Lancaster.

Treppiede,

No argument with choosing to spend more on a nicer place. I have been fortunate to stay in some very very nice hotels and I can pay a little more as well, though I am not sure I think it is worth it for a convention setting where I am basically crashing exhausted after gaming all day.

My argument is with the people who find it necessary, after bashing the host, to insist that a $45 USD hotel at the airport is going to be some fine establishment.

Also in Lancaster, I suspect those in search of nicer accommodations could have found a nice inn or B and B or even a better hotel in the city itself.

Also in Lancaster, I suspect those in search of nicer accommodations could have found a nice inn or B and B or even a better hotel in the city itself.

Yes. Courtyard by Marriott about 2-3 miles away. Not very convenient, but much nicer accommodations and about the same price as the Host. My stays there have been fine, but traveling to and from the Host and trying to find parking was a hassle.

I also stayed in a B&B in Litiz (sp?) two years ago for a night, when my wife joined me at Historicon. That was several miles away.