"Clubs and Children - Scotland" Topic

Currently I don't attend a club regularly but I did a quick read on this as far as I can for Scotland.

It looks like the other thread on this applies to England and Wales.

Such checks here are processed by Disclosure Scotland and the cost is £20.00 GBP (£23 from August) for an Enhanced Disclosure

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They provide a link to an organisation that gets Disclosures free for the Voluntary Sector

So it looks like the rules are different up here

If I remember tomorrow I'll phone them and ask if Disclosures are transferrable

It is totally crazy that there are different laws for different parts of the country!"

Scottish Law has always been different from English law.

No. It isn't crazy

The United Kingdom is four countries. The State is a unit, but the consituent parts are England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

The Acts of Union recognised the separate traditions and laws. As an example the Scottish Parliament was held to have reconsituted itself at Westminster.

Scots juries have 15 people in them, as opposed to 12 in England.

It is right and proper that the peoples of the separate nations should honour those traditions just as much as the lack of borders allows free movement and immigration between them.

Hear! Hear!

We've had to get over-18 cadets CRB'd in Scotland for some years now, which is something that isn't required in Wales (& England) until 2010.

It is totally crazy that there are different laws for different parts of the country

Doesn't every State in the US have their own laws.
In fact, my degree in TV law indicates every county/town can have it's own laws.

In Canada, the law is also complex, depending on which level of government has jurisdiction. So, in matters of employment, each province can enact its own laws (usually a good half dozen in each province and territory x 13 provinces/territories) while the federal jurisdiction has its own laws for those working for the federal government and anyone working in interprovincial transport.

It is a bit crazy and there are all sorts of wrinkles (what if you work for an aboriginal band (federal)? Is that different than working for yourself on an aboriginal reserve (provincial)). What if you work for a provincial company in a national park but you routinely cross into a different province to get coffee and smokes. Oh happy day!

Yet there are legitimately different conditions and traditions in different regions and these are reflected in different laws. No idea why I felt the urge to go off on a tangent; please return to your regularly scheduled topic.

I phoned the Disclosure Scotland fol. They think Disclosures should be usable for a multiple of employers/organisations, but it is up to each whether they want to accept it or demand a fresh one

The United Kingdom is four countries.

Is it? I thought Wales and NI were principalities and provinces, not countries…

It's not just the law that's different, so is the education system.

To be brutally frank I wouldn't want to get into trying to realistically define what NI is.

But as an administrative body it has had separate church, laws and banks for centuries.

Wales is divided, but has national aspirations.

So to recap. In Scotland the body dealing with these matters is Disclosure Scotland. There is a body, the CRBS, where volutary bodies can go to get free disclosures.

The United Kingdom is four countries.

Is it? I thought Wales and NI were principalities and provinces, not countries…

I've never bee entirely sure of the definitions of Stae, Nation and Country, personally.

I can't speak for Northern Ireland, but Wales was incorporated into the Union by conquest, not treaty (unlike Scotland). This meant that Wales, a country before conquest, has been downgraded by the victors to a Principality. The conquered still consider themselves to be a country, however.

Incidentally, this is also why Wales isn't recognised in the Union Flag.

Without wishing to divert the topic too much, bt to answer Ermintrude: Wales was never a unified country – just a collection of independent kingdoms and principalities with a shared language (like a smaller version of pre-Bismarck Germany). We in the south were still fighting the 'Gogs' in the north long after the Normans arrived…

I didn't say it was a unified country .

Didn't Wales beat all five other nations in the six nations a couple of years ago….anyone able to split the definition of nation and country?

BTW, we found out on Saturday that we (and other wargames clubs) do not need to have CRB checking in Scotland as long as any under 18 is accompanied by a parent or guardian.