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CAG 1907 Jul 2009 12:39 p.m. PST

The events of 14 April 1969 around the North Korean shoot down of a USAF EC-121 led to the formation of TF-71 with the carriers Enterprise, Ranger, Ticonderoga and Hornet preparing for operations in the Northern Pacific. The "official" narrative said that there was no response and events died down. Would this make an interesting "what if"?

Carriers going to 3 Fighter Sqns and 2 Attack Sqns.
I have no idea about the North Korean airforce or state of the air defences.

Si

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER07 Jul 2009 12:47 p.m. PST

And here all I remember is the USS Pueblo. It must have been over shadowed by that, as I have no recall of it.

Dan Cyr07 Jul 2009 2:09 p.m. PST

NK would have had lots of gun AA and maybe some SA-2 (doubt it). Lots of Mig-15, Mig-17 and Mig-19 (Chinese knock off), perhaps some Mig-21.

I'm assuming you'd game it as an air strike raid to punish NK for the shot-down. Use maps of any major port on the east coast of NK (Google Earth is your friend).

Dan

CAG 1907 Jul 2009 2:52 p.m. PST

Interesting to read that the USN dropped the A-4 Squadrons from at least one carrier as they didn'tm think they would be up to the job over NK for the retaliatory striks, but kept the aircraft in use over Vietnam for a longer period

"And here all I remember is the USS Pueblo. It must have been over shadowed by that, as I have no recall of it".

The Pueblo event was in 1968, maybe the the loss of an EC-121 went unnoticed by the public. The Washington Post article about the Neptune incident draws some similarities to the event.

SECURITY MINISTER CRITTER07 Jul 2009 3:39 p.m. PST

Well I know the Pueblo crew was released in 69 or thereabouts. I was big into aviation in those days, and would like to think I would have noticed.

rallypoint07 Jul 2009 9:24 p.m. PST

Two articles about this:

A NEW LESSON IN THE LIMITS OF POWER – [TIME The Weekly Magazine, April 25, 1969 Vol. 93, No. 17]
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Lion in the Stars08 Jul 2009 12:12 p.m. PST

I'd expect to see F4s going in high, A6s on the deck, both loaded HEAVY with 500lb bombs. By 1969 the Navy had figured out a good mix for strikes, so I'd expect good planning on this, even though Washington would be specifying the targets to be hit.

It'd pretty much be a turkey shoot, MiG15/17 versus F4 or F8 isn't particularly sporting.

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