"Confederate Sailors and Marines" Topic
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| Lead Pile | 06 Jul 2009 7:22 a.m. PST |
Other than Saylor's Creek, are there any other engagements where a regimental size group of sailors or marines fought? Anything out west on the river fights? Thanks, Lead |
79thPA  | 06 Jul 2009 8:14 a.m. PST |
See if you can find a copy of "The Confederate States Marine Corps: The Rebel Leathernecks" by Donnelly. The marines never numbered over 600 and were split up in penny pockets for ship's troops, guard duty and naval artillery training units. |
| rebmarine | 06 Jul 2009 2:41 p.m. PST |
I think the only other time you would have seen a "large" group of CSN and CSMC together would have been Ft. Fisher, and that would have been smaller than Tucker's Naval Brigade at Saylor's Creek. 79thPA is correct that they were mainly used, in the field, as a "fire brigade," being dispatched out in small units to where ever they were needed. While they saw more "field" action than the USMC, it still wasn't much. I also concur with 79thPA as to Donnelly's book. There are a few things that have come to light since his passing, but "Rebel Leathernecks" is still the best source out there, at least until Dave Sullivan finishes his book on the CSMC. |
| Dn Jackson | 06 Jul 2009 3:03 p.m. PST |
The Marines were in the trenches and fought during Bermuda Hundred. They also fought in some of the final camapaigns around Mobile. As for the sailors, not much other than Saylor's Creek. There are numerous might have beens that you could introduce to a campaign where there were Marines and sailors stationed nearby: Savannah, GA, Charleston, SC, Wilmington, NC, Mobile, AL, Pensacola, FL, New Orleans, LA, and Norfolk and Richmond, VA. |
 Bobgnar | 06 Jul 2009 6:33 p.m. PST |
Didn't a detachment of CSA sailors guard the national treasury that was being evacuated from Richmond. USA cavalry chasing that would be interesting what if game. |
| Frederick | 06 Jul 2009 8:32 p.m. PST |
I think they were at Dewy's Buff as well As noted, there never were that many of them – about one regiment's worth in total, as I recall |
| rebmarine | 07 Jul 2009 5:28 a.m. PST |
Frederick – Companies A, B, and C were stationed at Drewery's Bluff for most of the war. They, along with naval forces in the area, formed the Naval Brigade that Lead Pile was referring to at the beginning of this thread. Company D was in Mobile and Company E was in Savannah. As previously mentioned, all of them moved around a fair bit, either in detachments or as a whole. |
| TKindred | 07 Jul 2009 8:59 a.m. PST |
As an ancillary line to this thread, I thought that it should be pointed out that the vast majority of Federal crews on the ironclads of the western rivers were all Army, and not Navy. Although Navy officers were in command, and they ran the show, nearly all of the crew were made up of men "volunteered" for service on them. That "volunteering" didn't turn out as well as many had hoped. Some 40 men from the 3rd Maine volunteered, and after a few weeks petitioned the regiment to return. Colonel Moses Lakeman, the 3rd's C.O, responded with an emphatic NO! In a letter to the uncle of one of the men (which may be found in the 3rd's correspondence file in the Maine State Archives), Lakeman explained that the men who volunteered were all shirkers, layabouts and malingerers, who never did an honest day's service while with the regiment. He was glad to be rid of them and hoped the Navy might straighten them out. :) These men continued to draw Army uniforms, so it is easy to mistake images of them on the Ironclads for Marines, but in almost every case, without corroborating evidence to the contrary, they should be considered as Army. Respects, |
| Dn Jackson | 07 Jul 2009 2:35 p.m. PST |
"As an ancillary line to this thread, I thought that it should be pointed out that the vast majority of Federal crews on the ironclads of the western rivers were all Army, and not Navy. Although Navy officers were in command, and they ran the show, nearly all of the crew were made up of men "volunteered" for service on them." I may be wrong but I believe the ironclads all had navy crews. The Queen of the West class of vessels were all owned and operated by the Army. |
| French Wargame Holidays | 07 Jul 2009 9:16 p.m. PST |
some were at the seige of atlanta, no idea of numbers though, I used that as for an excuse to do a unit! |
| Dn Jackson | 08 Jul 2009 4:04 a.m. PST |
some were at the seige of atlanta, no idea of numbers though, I used that as for an excuse to do a unit!
Probably the company stationed at Savannah?
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| rebmarine | 08 Jul 2009 5:10 a.m. PST |
You're right Danny, I think Company E may have ended up around Atlanta after they left Savannah. I'd have to check Ralph's book to be sure. |
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