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Sgt Lee05 Jul 2009 3:29 a.m. PST

I watched SPR the other night and thought that the assault on the MG nest at the knocked out Radar station would make a quick wargame…

the only thing that I'm lacking are dead cows, a corporal Upham hiding behind a cow and some dead American Paras. Anybody know of any companies that do these in 25mm/1:72

cheers
D (UK)

Mainly28s05 Jul 2009 3:42 a.m. PST

The only ones in 25mm (1:56th), NOT 25mm (1:72) are from Artizan, not listed on their site, but available if you contact them via e-mail.

KatieL05 Jul 2009 3:52 a.m. PST

If you got model railway ones, they're plastic -- so you'd be able to bend them into a "dead" shape.

Matsuru Sami Kaze05 Jul 2009 7:28 a.m. PST

Get some Crayola modeling clay and mold some dead cows. That will cost you four bucks. If someone complains about them, just say, "They're dead cows." Or "They've been dead a little while…" Or "You're right, but these don't smell so bad." Or this should stop the groaning, "You don't think Spielberg actually used dead cows to shoot that scene."

Empress Miniatures Sponsoring Member of TMP05 Jul 2009 7:35 a.m. PST

AB figures do dead cows in 1/72nd.

jgawne05 Jul 2009 8:36 a.m. PST

Aside from it being a reall stupid scene, and resonably historyically stupid as well,

but when cows died in the French heat they quickly began to swell up with one side of legs sticking up in the air. I would think you coul dfind some soft plastic cows done for railroads or something, and heat them up to muck about with them. Flatten one side for them to lie on, and bend the other sides legs up at a higher angle.

Pat Ripley Fezian05 Jul 2009 3:01 p.m. PST

why didn't they use the sniper rifle? why not go to the side of the mg? why, why….

Pat Ripley Fezian05 Jul 2009 3:13 p.m. PST

use some suitable paras from a plastic set?

nsolomon9905 Jul 2009 7:33 p.m. PST

I actually thought this was the weakest part of an otherwise fabulous movie. In all of Normandy why did they have to go straight up the middle?

Dragon Master05 Jul 2009 7:49 p.m. PST

AB Figures for the cows and plastic figure from various companies like Revell, etc. for the dead paratroopers.

galvinm05 Jul 2009 8:35 p.m. PST

Why not just let the Air Force take them out?

Sgt Lee06 Jul 2009 1:07 a.m. PST

It was tactically unsound I agree…thanx guys

D

Martin Rapier06 Jul 2009 2:57 a.m. PST

"Why not just let the Air Force take them out?"

Call in an airstrike on one isolated infantry position? right.

WarWizard06 Jul 2009 5:45 a.m. PST

I am not a WWII gamer so this also puzzled me.
Why send your men right up the middle, did'nt Pickett's charge prove that fool hardy?
I think I would lay down smoke right in front of them to "blind" them they come around from both sides. Tossing grenades first.

Pat Ripley Fezian06 Jul 2009 6:03 a.m. PST

might not have had smoke let alone enough

Garand06 Jul 2009 6:37 a.m. PST

Airstrike might not be the order of the day, but rustling up a tank would be the order of business. Sit outside the effective range of handheld AT weapons and lob a few HE shells at it…

Damon.

B C terrain06 Jul 2009 7:46 a.m. PST

You can always us the Pegasus Farm animals. They're not dead by you can make them easy couse its soft plastic

Martin Rapier06 Jul 2009 8:36 a.m. PST

"Why send your men right up the middle"

Well, they didn't really. Miller split the squad into three groups, left, right & centre to split the German fire. What they didn't do of course was:

a) any sort of fire & movement during their frontal attack
b) simply go around the flank via the numerous covered approaches and either completely ignore the isolated MG, or attack it from behind through the wrecked radar station.

A frontal attack against an unsupported MG isn't completely daft, they have a very narrow but deep beaten zone. What is really dangerous is attacking across the front of an MG positioned to a flank.

Anyway, the reason they did in the film was because it looked good, they could kill off another character, introduce us to the perfidious German and get Miller to open up a bit.

Crunchy Frog06 Jul 2009 8:52 a.m. PST

Yes, we have to remember that this was a fictional movie, not a documentary of actual events. Without pointing fingers, too many people forget that for all its "realism", SPR was entertainment: Hollywood screenwriting conventions still apply. Even when filmmakers strive for realistic portrayals, they routinely alter historical facts and/or make stuff up because it will A) look good or B) move the story forward. Most moviegoers watch films for VERY different reasons than we do, after all. :-)

I think we are all aware that combat scenes in films rarely take into account sound tactics. "Just fly straight down that trench and let the enemy fighters come in behind you boys."

BTW, I watched "1776" over the weekend in honor of the holiday. I was reminded that: A) the film constantly butchers history on many levels, and B) it was a smashingly good film, with catchy tunes and a great story. (No combat scenes though, unless you count the messengers song…)

Enjoy!

monongahela06 Jul 2009 2:15 p.m. PST

Why did they not use the sniper?

Jay Arnold07 Jul 2009 4:28 a.m. PST

Why did they not use the sniper?

It wasn't in the script.

christot21 Jul 2009 10:08 a.m. PST

Indeed, it was film, not a documentary, and as such has more in common with the wild-west than with WWII.

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