| Beeker | 30 Jun 2009 9:33 a.m. PST |
In a previous post someone had mentioned their desire to find richly illustrated books of the Napoleonic era and I had posted a response indicating that he might look to the books of Jean Tranie and J-C Carmigniani that pretty much cover every aspect of the era from the beginning of the revolution to Waterloo. Every book produced by Tranie and Carmigniani included colour and b/w illustrations by Huen, Detaille, Knotel et al. There were also at least 4 or more pages devoted to uniform plates, some done by Rousselot and others. Having made efforts to locate as many of these books as possible I've found a gap in the series that I hope some avid collector or reader will be able to shed some light on. It is my understanding that Tranie and Carmigniani had been tasked by french publishing house Lauzelle to complete three books on the period of the French Revolution. The first of the series was published as "La Patrie en danger, 1791-1793." The dust jacket of this book indicates that the next volumes will cover the period from 1793-1796. The third covers the remaining period from 96-1800 and is devoted, appropriately enough to the rise of Napoleon. These two volumes apparently were not published as intended. In the 90's T & C came out with the 2 volume set, Napoleon in Italy which I take to be a broader and more detailed version of Volume 3 from the earlier mentioned series. The gap then is, what became of the intended second volume now that Tranie has passed-away? There is a special boxed set that was apparently published in the late 90's about the revolution but my understanding it that it contains Volume 1 of the Lauzelle series and the 2 volume set on Napoleon in Italy – or a condensced version of the above. As an avid reading of military aspects and history of the Revolutionary Wars I would be delighted to hear from anyone who could shed light on this 'potential' mystery and whether there are alternate sources of Tranie's work such as journal and magazine articles in french where the "draft" materials of the Lauzelle series Volume 2 might be found. Thanks to one and all for any responses! Cheers!
B |
| Billy Bones | 30 Jun 2009 11:00 a.m. PST |
Beeker,
I think this is a full list of books by Tranie and Carmigniani, they are in my collection I don't believe any others were published. TRANIE J. and CARMIGMANI J.C. – La Patrie en danger – les campagnes de la Revolution, tome 1. Pub 1987
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoleon, the campaign of 1812. Pub 1997, reprint
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon et 1'Angleterre. Pub 1994
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – La Révolution Français. Pub 1989
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Les Guerres del' Ouest 1793 – 1815. Pub 1983
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon Bonaparte – la première campagne d'ltalie 1796 -1797 Pub1990
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon Bonaparte – la campagne d'Egypte Pub 1988
TRANIE J and CARM1GNIANI J.C. – Napoléon Bonaparte – la deuxième campagne d'ltalie 1800 Pub 1991
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon et la Russie – les années victorieuses 1805 -1807 Pub 1980
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon et l'Allemagne,Prusse 1806. Pub 1984
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon et la campagne d'Espagne. Pub 1978
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon et l'Autriche 1809. Pub 1979
TRANIE J and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – La campagne de Russie 1812. Pub 1981.
TRANIE J.and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon – 1813 la campagne d'Allemagne. Pub 1987.
TRANIE J.and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Napoléon -1814 la campagne de France. Pub 1989.
TRANIE J.and CARMIGNIANI J.C. – Les Polonais de Napoléon. Pub 1982.
TRANIE J. – L'Epopée Napoléonienne. Pub 1999. |
| Beeker | 30 Jun 2009 12:25 p.m. PST |
Wagram Have you ever found articles or the like by Tranie? Not sure if your copy of La Patrie en danger has the dust jacket but you'll see reference to Tome 2 and Tome 3 with their respective titles. Pity they were never published. They were to be part of Lavauzelle's ""Les grands moments de notre histoire" series.
B |
| GJM FIGURINES | 30 Jun 2009 1:11 p.m. PST |
Beeker
out of interest i have the complete set mentioned above
all beautifully dusted wrapped they are superb books of the
highest order (and weigh a ton!!!) i can see the mention of tome 2 and 3 on the inside back cover of "la patrie en danger 1792 1793 les campagnes de la revolution would love
to gethold of these as well do you have l"epopee napoleonienne pub 1999 dont have it i think!! regards
Ged gjm.figurines.co.uk |
| Billy Bones | 30 Jun 2009 3:44 p.m. PST |
Beeker, Thereis another work by Tranie not on the list that I have unfortunately can't find it at the moment. It is a pity the other two volumes you mention were never published. Wagram |
| Beeker | 30 Jun 2009 4:24 p.m. PST |
Ged – my limited info suggests that no such beasts exist. I myself would be grateful hear more about possible drafts, articles, etc that might have floating around with those who have some access to the french Napoleonic community.
B |
| Beeker | 30 Jun 2009 4:53 p.m. PST |
Ged – re. l"epopee. That one I do not have but seems to be readily available used. Wagram – I think the other one you might be thinking of is the Bicentenial Book – about half the pages of the other books – put out by Lavauzelle as well. Cheers!
B |
| GJM FIGURINES | 02 Jul 2009 3:01 p.m. PST |
Beeker……thats a pity!! re L"EPOPEE i must add that to the collection great posting |
| Beeker | 04 Jul 2009 6:04 a.m. PST |
Mystery solved! This from Yves Martin posting on napoleon-series.org/reviews/military/c_tranie.html
"In 1987, the last book published with Lavauzelle is the 1st volume dedicated to the Revolutionary Wars – it was not a success. It was slim, had no uniform plates, and was fairly expensive.
La Patrie en Danger 1792-1793: Les Campagnes de la Révolution
Jean Tranié & Juan-Carlos Carmigniani; Charles Lavauzelle, 1987." Too bad!
B |
Double G  | 04 Jul 2009 10:25 a.m. PST |
Beeker,
Thanks again for pointing me in the Tranie direction as I've come into five of his works, all are superb, so thanks for helping out a fellow enthusist as it was I who had asked about the books…. Regards,
George |
| GJM FIGURINES | 05 Jul 2009 3:55 p.m. PST |
Beeker
thats a pity…………….reaching for pistol in draw!! |
| WKeyser | 22 Jul 2009 12:05 a.m. PST |
There was also an English translation of the Peninular book, which I picked up probaly aroun 1985-86 in Toronto.
William |
| GJM FIGURINES | 30 Jul 2009 3:48 a.m. PST |
wkeyer regarding the Peninsular book i have both as the french version has more coloured plates including the seminal "l attaque du grand convii a salinas en biscaye le 25 mai 1812 showing Mina s attack on a huge convoy destained for france with british prisoners being armed by the french and aiding in the repulse (actually not sure hoe it ended!! regards Ged gjm.figurines.co.uk/ |
| Yves Martin | 12 Sep 2009 4:26 a.m. PST |
Hello, As I was surfing the web – I came across this discussion which points to an old piece I wrote for the Napoleon Series. Let me add a few things: About Jean Tranie: He passed away some years ago indeed. He had married Henry Lachouque's niece and, in addition to him being a former officer, this explains his interest in things napoleonic and his close acquaintance to Lachouque's works and notes. Jean Tranie is survived by his two sons, both are collectors and continue the family "tradition" quite well. They are both active contributors and advisers to the "upscale" "Soldats Napoleoniens" magazine of which I am a founder, shareholder and contributor (this magazine strives to continue the tradition of magazines such as "military illustrated", "Tradition UK" but focusing purely on napoleonic topics primarily uniforms). Juan-Carlos Carmigniani was a friend of his and he also recently passed away. He was in charge of finding all the relevant iconography for the books (a real challenge back in the days of pre-internet and pre-digital !). Baron Louis de Beaufort was usually the illustrator of the uniform plates. Coming from an old french noble family, Baron de Beaufort was, like his brother very gifted artistically and he made a living also in working for fashion houses. He distinguished himself from other french illustrators in that he ad lived extensively abroad (argentina) and spoke fluently several languages. This took him to have a high interest in other armies than the french and illustrating them – especially the british army. He passed away some years ago although I had the chance to meet him as he lived in my neighborhood. He his survived by his son and also grandson – noe of the family has any interest in things military and his collection of books has been dispersed for the greater part. This all to say that the "Tranie books" belonged to an older generation very much that of the 70s and 80s. They were posh, expenive books but very well illustrated and they set a standrad. They were also rather well researched although the text is actually rather weak (very uch for a greater audience). by contrast many of the french publications today tend to overdo it in terms of iconography and are often hastily pulled together with some incredible mistakes. Still, there are quite a large volume of publications coming from LCV, Editions Napoleon and Quatuor. The revolution period is not very popular overall and published works on this topic rarely fetch acceptable volumes for publishers UNLESS Bonaparte was present (!) – one very fernch exception being the civil war in Vendee (and even that…). So this really explains why volume 2 by Tranie never came out. LCV has published a few issues of Gloire et Empire on the revolutionnary wars. Bonaparte's italian campaign is better treated and, there is, of course, my own pet topic of Egypt which is rather well covered (although one can still look for the defenitive one book on uniforms of that campaign). In relation to the Lejeune painting of the attack of the "grand convoi a Salinas", I recently did a private study for the benefit of Ronald Pawly editor in chief of Soldats Napoleoniens. This painting actually shown in 1818 and which was a tremendous popular success back then actually combines two different attacks by Mina of 2 different convoys. As Lejeune was not present at those events, the painting is a bit "speculative" but we should assume fairly accurate in its depiction of french uniforms and guerillas (Lejeune after all was captured by guerillas and made also a painting of the episode). Happy to answer any question on this work or on other topics. All the best Yves Martin |
| Beeker | 12 Sep 2009 5:26 a.m. PST |
Yves Many thanks for posting this info on this thread. I now have the sense that there is still a glimmer of hope that the Tranie family or colleagues and admirers might pick up the torch and produce what you clearly state is an obscure and unappealing part of the Revolutionary Wars. Namely the proposed second Tome covering the period 93-96 – which, unfortunately is one period I am most interested in and were Napoleon is not so prominent a figure in the campaigns and battles. Best wishes and continued success in your efforts to produce materials for this period! Cheers!
Beeker |
| Yves Martin | 12 Sep 2009 11:06 a.m. PST |
Hello, No problem – I'm happy to provide help and information, if I can spare the time (and have the info – which I should :=) ). mail me directly at martin_yves@me.com – My focus is mainly on uniforms. YM |
| marshal murat | 13 Sep 2009 12:17 p.m. PST |
Yves great to read your very interesting posting on all the "figures" in writing from the 70s and 80s. actaullly
came across some black and white plates fro, mr l de beaufort on the Waterloo theme issued byle briquet which
later appeared in the plush Waterloo book by Commandant
Henry Lachouque in colour………..his work was wonderfull!! regarding the fascinating comments you made on the double
attack on the Salinas convoy by Mina may i conatact you as above regards
Ged gjm.figurines.co.uk/ |
| Yves Martin | 22 Sep 2009 9:04 a.m. PST |
Hello, yes – I know the B&W series quite well as it was my first "real" work in the hobby over 10 years ago re-publishing these for Le Briquet – getting them scanned – cleaned up for a new version the series is more extensive than what was published in the Waterloo and Beaufort did a lot of other plates for Le Briquet and CFFH. Actually CFFH jas published several volumes by him with both B&W and colored plates on various topics: KGL, British musicians, Portuguese army, armies of the latin american wars of independence – all very "amateur type" booklets -but all very very good You can certainly contact me about Salinas and other topics – I may be slow to answer (given my day job) – but I'll do my best. YM |
| marshal murat | 23 Sep 2009 1:36 a.m. PST |
thank you Yves for your response much appreciated have contacted you of line best regards Ged
gjm.figurines.co.uk/ |
