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Gunfreak28 Jun 2009 7:32 a.m. PST

I send to you this topic to see the backstory
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Ok, The battle will by Möckern, And will by the end of it have well over 3000 figs, but thats far into the futre.

A Battalion will be 18 figs always on a 3mm/1.5 inch front and a squadron will be 10 figs on the same frontage.
Now having 200+ lose units will be a little to much.
So I'm looking for a ruleset that has a Brigade as a basic command and contol unit, but that the brigade isn't to abstracted. I know alot of brigade based rules simply have a 1-3 base thing And very abstrackted.
While here a brigade can have as many as 6 bases/battalons.
So a rule were you give order to brigades but brigades can still have some autonomi, that is to say, decide if it wants to front all brigades or keep one or more in reserve or even refuse a flank and put one battalion on angle to the others ect.

Are there any rules like that around, the ground scale is 1" to 100 yards

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian28 Jun 2009 7:50 a.m. PST

Not sure what you mean by "So I'm looking for a ruleset that has a Brigade as a basic command and contol unit, but that the brigade isn't to abstracted. I know alot of brigade based rules simply have a 1-3 base thing And very abstrackted.".

Age of Eagles has 2-18 stands per Brigade (typically 6-9). Napoloen's Battles has 4-7 stands per Brigade. They both use a basing that is @ 1/2 of what you are using. both have a ground scale of 100-120 yards per inch. Both use a figure ratio of @ 1:100. Neither of these care about the formation of individual Battalions. Formations are still important though.

I prefer Age of Eagles (AoE) because it uses the Fire and Fury mechanics.

Angel Barracks28 Jun 2009 8:03 a.m. PST

Irregulars quick rules have the brigade as the basic unit.
Ground scale is 1" = 50 yards so you can increase ranges easily enough.

Has a nice combat system too.

Does need some paperwork to keep track of unit strengths however.


link

At the bottom.

Cheap too so if you do not get on with them no real money lost.

Gunfreak28 Jun 2009 8:04 a.m. PST

Well I don't want to count figures, I want the number of battalions in a brigade to decide it's strengh/morale strenght

Personal logo Saber6 Supporting Member of TMP Fezian28 Jun 2009 8:08 a.m. PST

That would be Age of Eagle (sort of). Infatry is 360 per stand, Cavalry 180 and Artillery is 1 Battery. Take the OOB numbers for the Brigade, divide by the type and round to the nearest stand. I tend to paint the actual Regiments that form the Brigade and divide the stands evenly. If there are "special" Battalions in the Brigade I paint 1-2 stands for them.

Grizwald28 Jun 2009 10:07 a.m. PST

"A Battalion will be 18 figs always on a 3mm/1.5 inch front and a squadron will be 10 figs on the same frontage."

I would have a cavalry unit with the same frontage as an infantry battalion representing 2 squadrons rather than 1.

"Are there any rules like that around, the ground scale is 1" to 100 yards"

From the previous thread I got the impression you were writing your own rules.

Gunfreak28 Jun 2009 10:10 a.m. PST

Well I will be adapting them as I all along doubted I would find a ruleset just like the the buildup of the force and frontage and ground scale.

But if there was a ruleset that came close it would be easier to adapt them, then making them all up form the ground

malcolmmccallum28 Jun 2009 10:30 a.m. PST

Have you looked into Legacy of Glory? The scale is a bit different but divisions track and move all their individual battalions while still operating as divisions.

Baccus 6mm29 Jun 2009 2:39 a.m. PST

I did mention this in the other thread, but I'll do it again here. The Polemos Napoleonic rules were designed to address pretty well all of the questions that you have posed on both threads. No fudging required and the General de Division version works on one base to a battalion. They were designed with 6mm in mind from the start and don't require retro-fitting like many of the other systems suggested which centre around 15mm or 28mm castings.

You can find more details here link

Cheers


Peter

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