| vogless | 26 Jun 2009 7:24 a.m. PST |
I know most of the StG 44's in service with the Germans around the time of Normandy were in Italy and the Eastern Front. Question is, how out of line would 4-6 of them sprinkled into an SS platoon in Normandy be? |
 Doms Decals  | 26 Jun 2009 7:38 a.m. PST |
Sounds unlikely tbh – when they were issued it was usually en masse to replace a full section's weaponry, not as a complement to the existing kit. |
| zoneofcontrol | 26 Jun 2009 8:16 a.m. PST |
Good question…I've seen Normandy games played where they were used "sprinkled in" and also by whole units. I often wondered which (or both?) is correct. I humbly await the determination of the TMP masses. |
aecurtis  | 26 Jun 2009 8:24 a.m. PST |
How about the communal wisdom of WikiAnswers? link Or? link Or? link Rather like trying to fit parts of different puzzles together… Allen |
| aecurtis | 26 Jun 2009 8:26 a.m. PST |
Oh, and some irritating organizational stuff: link Allen |
| zoneofcontrol | 26 Jun 2009 8:33 a.m. PST |
aecurtis-
"Rather like trying to fit parts of different puzzles together…"
I think I know less now than I did when this thread started.
Mike |
| vogless | 26 Jun 2009 8:34 a.m. PST |
So, it looks like the offical answer would be no. However, it's not an impossible thing, either. So, for a game, I'm thinking it would work unless you are recreating an actual event. At least that's going to be my stance. Thanks guys! |
| aecurtis | 26 Jun 2009 9:03 a.m. PST |
"I think I know less now than I did when this thread started." That's my feeling, too. |
| Wyatt the Odd | 26 Jun 2009 11:05 a.m. PST |
See, Allen – that's why people turn to TMP (and the AECurtispedia contained within) when they need real information.  Wyatt |
| Ditto Tango 2 1 | 26 Jun 2009 11:28 a.m. PST |
Question is, how out of line would 4-6 of them sprinkled into an SS platoon in Normandy be? Vogles, I don't have an answer to your actual question, but as someone who uses mostly "generic" Germans, in my opinion, I wouldn't quibble over a few of them in a Normandy game – if your rules are 1:1 and differentiate between actual weapon types, then just call them Kar 98s or MP 40s and play on. Of course, there are some folks who prefer not to use such "proxies", but in again, in my opinion, they would not be that noticeable. For example, I have a Revell 172 German engioneer running around in a shelter half holding the stg 43/44 that is on a base with some other german figures and this guy has seen duty in a lot of my games set in a time period long before 1944.
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Tim |
| Caesar | 26 Jun 2009 11:51 a.m. PST |
Bah, if anything give them to your NCOs and officers or stick them in the pioneer squad you sometimes use for support and be done with it.
Poor guys got sent west after they started showing up at the trench naked due to their harrowing experiences in Russia. I can't blame them for holding onto their weapons while they relax on the quiet front -- sipping wine and repulsing paratroopers. |
| vogless | 26 Jun 2009 12:48 p.m. PST |
That's where I think I'm going to go with it. Since there are a few pics of them, I'd say a FEW are allowable, especially with SS units. I was wondering if anyone had facts that proved there were NONE at all there.
Beyond that, if it's that big of a deal, someone will need to get a life or open a history book :).
I feel balance is the key with the German "Super" weapons. After all, they lost the war despite having the StG44, the Elephant, Tigers, and the rest of the all-star line up. I HATE games where that stuff makes the Germans invincible. |
| Weasel | 26 Jun 2009 2:04 p.m. PST |
I am working on some Volksgrenadier with a mix of STG's and MP40. Lots of automatics but brittle morale. Makes for an interesting setup |
| Jemima Fawr | 26 Jun 2009 5:44 p.m. PST |
There is a photo of a grenadier of 86. Infanterie-Division carrying a StG44 during the Falaise battles of August. The photo is reproduced on the back cover of Zetterling's 'Normandy 1944' if you have it (the photo is identified in a French book on Falaise). The soldier is photographed from the back and the rifle is slung across his chest, but the butt and foresight of the weapon are clearly visible and it is unmistakably a StG44. |
| Cyclops | 27 Jun 2009 5:55 a.m. PST |
I saw a photo of a Brit advancing up a bocage lined road carrying a MP43/StG44. He was a apparently part of a recce company, infantry or armour not mentioned. Neither was the date but it certainly looked like Normandy. I'm hardly an expert though. |
| Porkmann | 30 Jun 2009 3:50 p.m. PST |
I have seen newsreels of them "sprinkled in" at Kowel and Cherkassy in early '44. But then what happened in the Real War wasn't necessarily what happened in the West. |
