"Who makes 28mm Tyw French, Spanish and Dutch" Topic

I am wondering who makes good 28mm thirty years war french, dutch and spanish minis.

i suppose germans may work for the dutch and some french and spanish. but most i have seen don't seem to have the apporiate pants for the french and lack sashes and frilly bits. as for the spanish any ideas.

Plus what uniforms did scots and irish wear during the thirty years war, did they wear the same costumes during the english civil war, were the scottish dressed in hodden grey.

What about the eastern parts of the holy roman empire like hungarians and corats.Oh and any idea on what transalvaynian types would have been wearing during this period.

TAG has beautiful figs and I believe Old Glory has a TYW line. Many others have some suitable figs in their ECW lines. See if you can access a copy of George Gush's "Renaissance Armies." He has good general info about most of your questions.

I've seen Tag and they look good but unfortunatly they are mostly german and swedish as well as scots. are the hungarians and croats sutible for the whole tyw.

Old Glory seem good but generic maybe not french or spanish enough(not sure though), though they do seem to have good eastern range are any of these suitible for hungarains and croats for this period or are they to early.

thanks for the sugestion about George Gush's "Renaissance Armies." any ideas where to get a copy.

Check your on-line book sources. It was reprinted a few years ago (Orange version) and the original (Green version) shows up on used book sales from time to time. British libraries often have wargaming books available through inter-library loan.
The sash difference was mostly in color rather than style of wear. A cuirassier in armet was the same for everyone. The Eastern troops are probably more generic than the others as fashions in hats, buff coats and armor changed considerably from the early years by the 1640s.. German mercenaries served in everyone's armies. The French are supposed to have pioneered the 1640's styles of short pants in place of trousers and more ribbons on pants and coats. Fashion leaders even then!
The Spanish are supposed to have been more old fashioned in their style so dress and armor but I've seen some recent posts that challenge that view. In the end, it is mostly a case of what you find satisfying. Just remember, no 3 barred pots on the continent!

Gentlemen;

Most of George's chapters on the Western armies are reproduced here: myarmoury.com/features.html

Just scroll down a bit on the page and you will find the links to the English, Irish, Scots, French, Italians and Spanish. The Dutch are missing, but some very good illustrations of all of the nationalities can be found online on the New York Public Library's Digital Library site in the Vinkhuijzen Collection of Military Art here:

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Simply select the nationality, then the sub-period within the next menu that comes up. At least some of these plates are taken from Marbot and many are "period" illustrations.

As to copies of George's actual book, I picked my own copy up off eBay a couple years ago at a "reasonable price" and they do turn up on the used bookseller's sites. I just did a quick Yahoo search and the average price for the 2nd edition, orange cover, seems to be running between $56 USD and $65, with one optimistic seller wanting $160 USD for a first edition, green cover.

As to which ranges of figures are "most suitable" for specific nationalites, Shagnasty's comments are pretty accurate. Much of your figure selection will have to be what satisfies you, and some of the "fine" detail that differentiates the nationalities may have to be added with green stuff or simply painted on. Most of the major maker's, like Foundry, Old Glory, TAG, Redoubt and others do have at least some pictures on their sites. You may need to do your research first and form a solid opinion of what is acceptable to you, then find the ranges that fit that image best.

Another option are the new plastics being offered in 28mm by Warlord. These have gotten good reviews, allow a degree of customization, can be easily converted and enhanced (being plastic), and are inexpenesive. While designed for the ECW, with slight modifications, they could be used to depict at least most of the Western nations. They will also mix well with several of the existing metal ranges allowing for specialist figures. Infantry and artillery are already available and cavalry should be arriving before too long.

Bill

In fact – the "satchel" gives it away – many are quite European.

The ribbons etc – the majority of TYW soldiers by 1635 were less worried by ribbons and more by getting some grub in their bellies. The officers may want to dress up but the rank and file probably looked like all campaign soldiers – scruffy.

okay thanks for the ideas, any ideas about what the french looked like in the early period including the brief war with england, and what did the spanish look like during the last part of the eighty years war. Does any body do sword and buckler type figures that spanish and dutch seemed to haved fielded in this period(might be mistaken). what about spanish cavalry types were they diffrent to other countries.

oh by the way what did italians and porturegese look like during this time period.

as for eastern types would old glory vlad range work for transalavnian types or had they changed apart from firearms. plus were there helments the same as the rest or different in style.

Out of my area of knowledge but "scruffy" is a great look for any era.

bourbonparma89;

With all due respect, I believe that at this point you need to do a little research and narrow down your choices or interests a little. You have been given some links to sites with excellent artistic references and to parts of George Gush's original book on the subject. By the way, that link to MyArmoury.com also has some excellent articles on the Polish Winged Hussars and some excellent articles on weapons and equipment of the era.

To try and address your last post, which is a bit "all over the map"; Yes, there are sword and bucklermen available from several maker's, including Essex, Mirliton, Foundry and others. The Vinkhuijzen Collection site will allow you to sort through the various nationalities by time period, so you can see at least an artist's impression of Early French, Spanish at the end of the 80 Years War, Italians and Portugese. As to the Vlad range or any Eastern types, there are several excellent Osprey titles on Eastern armies of this period as well as several web sites. You can find much on the Eastern armies, at least a little later in time, on Dan Schorr's excellent "Northern Wars" site here:

northernwars.com

Dan also sells CD's, plates and books that cover much of what you are asking about. I think all of us here on TMP are more than willing to share our knowledge or links and sources with anyone, but there does need to be a bit of "focus" or you will be overwhelmed with information and still have no clear direction.

I think it's safe to say that, if you choose an army or an era that you want to game with, you WILL find someone out there with figures for it and you will find references, both online and in print. And you will find a host of friendly folks here on TMP who will be willing to help you refine your choices or make specific recommendations.

Bill