"How Many HMGS Members Want HCON to Move to Baltimore?" Topic

Neither- Will wait and try it to see how it works out

Yes. Mass transit, good food, very nice hotels, larger convention draw, it makes sense; Baltimore wins.

Yes, I haven't gone to HCON in years because I hate the Host, I am now making plans to attend.

Lancaster 2012

I do believe that I have an excellent solution to help convince individuals that the move is a good thing. What we should do is petition President Obama to provide us with an economic stimulus package to help pay for rooms, parking, food and any other assorted items with the provision that it must be spent in Baltimore. That way it will help the economy of Baltimore while assisting those of us who don't have alot of money to spend on the aforementiond items. If we could get this then I would not object to the move.

Yes.

I liked the Host but the event has outgrown the venue.
Baltimore is actually easier on me as an airlines traveller to the event (coming from FL.)

Just don't turn Historicon into Origins guys!

Not really, but I'll go. I am already anticipating losing Sunday, which was my major shopping day, as driving up for a half day does not seem worth it. As it is less than an hour from my home, I am having trouble getting the usual gang of room sharers to go for the room there. Will probably not go Thursday either if that is the case.

Actually being further away, requiring a hotel room, was better than it being closer.

Nay

Okay, guys lets focus back on the votes and keep it moving. Thanks to everybody so far.

What's the score ?

Yeah, you should have a running total after every 50 posts.

By my very rough calculation of the small sample size presented, the current ratio of opinion is roughly 40/60 (Yes/No). I say roughly because some folks strayed off a yes/no into gray areas. I'd suggest any discussion of how this pertains to the "fait accompli" move would be more appropriate in a separate topic, in keeping with the spirit of vonLoudon's focus on just a yes/no polling here.

No

And I think many of those voting yes will be unpleasantly surprised by the reality of the place.

Yes!!!

Perhaps a real scientific survey should be conducted. This exercise is pointless and meaningless.

I will attend.

I wouldn't attend my own funeral in Baltimore….

yes

von Loudon-
I did already vote. I just wish to add some comments…
#1 – Thanks for running this informal poll, it is the first time someone did this without it being a flame war.
#2 – It does seem to be running 60 – 40/No – Yes at this point.
#3 – I've noticed several vendors voted here and of the ones I recognize, most said no. That's scary!
Sorry to stray off track but the #3 is what pops out to me.
Keep up the good work guys.

This was my selfish idea, but I don't think I could control the posting or limit it because of the rules which is okay. I learned something from this which seemed to jibe with what I thought. And I could still be wrong, but I feel I'm closer to right, make any sense? I'll tally the vote tomorrow morning, I already did page 1 and 2 at work. This will not solve anything but you may get something from it and it was fun. Thanks, everybody.

No

#4 How many GameMasters said no.

My gaming group will be doing six games this Historicon and none in Balitmore.

Nay, for a number of reasons.

Okay, final tally of the little unscientific meaningless survey is Go to Baltimore- 42
Don't go to Baltimore- 63
Neutral, Uncertain, Unclear-4
It was breaking just like the final commentators said about 40/60. So I am happy with the results. I am also going to attend Historicon in Baltimore because I am a wargamer, a member of HMGS, I love going places and it will be fun after all is said and done. So everybody make your choice. HMGS is probably not going to disappear. I don't dislike anybody who had an opposite opinion to mine. We can agree to disagree. And we can take out any frustrations on the BOD! How great is that?

And we can take out any frustrations on the BOD! How great is that?

I thought that was a member benefit?

I think the initial question doesn't means much. The convention will move there regardless of what people want. Probably a better question is "will you attend now that it is in Baltimore?"

Rich

The really good news. A bunch of the No guys mentioned they are going to attend. Lets face it- the proof is in the pudding-if you go and it sucks- that will be that. If it works it will only grow and get better.

No

No, I've been to everyone of them but this will be my last.

NO

#3 – I've noticed several vendors voted here and of the ones I recognize, most said no. That's scary!

As I have mentioned many times, No Vendors, No Con!

BTW, A BIG FAT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

NO. But, whenever will HMGS host a convention in Chicago? It's ridiculous that we're overlooked when we were once had 5 to 6 miniatures conventions a year.

To: Wargamer204

HMGS does run a convention in the Chicago area; guess you never heard of Little Wars then (run by HMGS Midwest)?

link

Regards,
Bob Giglio

FYI- Wargamer204-Little Wars is a great show. Check it out.

Blue Devil 88- there will be plenty of vendors

Blue Devil 88- there will be plenty of vendors

What Vince from Sham-Wow? Not only does it clean up spills but makes excellent terrain.

Again Fox look at the number of vendors who have said no on this topic.

Yes in 2009, No in 2010.

There is a big difference between dealers saying that they don't want the show to move, and that they won't attend for sure (will they notify Hcon dealer room management this July that they are giving up their tables for next year?)- unlike Double G who has clearly stated (and put his case very reasonably) that he won't attend in 2010.

But here is the rub too. Only some of the dealers bring unique product that can't be purchased elsewhere. Others, not so. The point being than at least some who may not attend would be easier to replace than others.

There will most likely indeed be a lot of vendors at the BCC, perhaps many of them new. I don't know if that is a good thing or not until I see them. I hope some new vendors with some new product do attend as that would be an added draw – or incentive to spend more – at least for me.

I agree with Rich. Stating you are against the move now is like shutting the barn door after the horse ran out. If you are all so opposed to the move, and so sure it will fail, I suggest that in order to be more helpful and useful that a better thread would be to recommend places to consider in three years (other than the Host, that is) – though obviously arm chair historians do like to argue about the past.

I will attend, and so will all of my usual friends, and a few new people too. That is the only vote that counts at this point. We'll judge the place and its pros and cons then. Count that any way you please.

One other note – this thread, with many repeat posters, hasn't even reached 5% of the overall attendee numbers, and there is no way to validate that any/all of the posters here even regularly attend Hcon, let alone will be where ever it is in 2010. I'm just saying…

the poll was just a trifle….why make it out to be something it was not?

now some people want to over analyze it to discern trends/impacts/policies that were never intended.

it said nothing about will you attend..just did you want the con to move.

i am one of those who voted no, but plans to go in 2010.

it was not a clearly or scientifically constructed poll; just some person asking an innocent question.

No.

Wait; Vince from Sham-Wow fame will be there? I think I've been a tad hasty in bailing if that is the case…………..

Blue Devil

No to this topic does not mean no they are not going

"the poll was just a trifle….why make it out to be something it was not?"

Somehow I suspect there is more behind it than just a flight of fancy, though it is pointless, as others have stated. But if so, why waste time on it then?

"now some people want to over analyze it to discern trends/impacts/policies that were never intended."

I'm not the one totalling it up. I merely pointed out that you can't draw a single darned conclusion from it, though some are, including its creator. How seriously? I can't say.

"it said nothing about will you attend..just did you want the con to move."

Well, to be precise, it did not say that. It asked if people wanted it to go to Baltimore. Asking people if they want to see the con move is an entirely different question – though it too would beg the inevitable – where?

"i am one of those who voted no, but plans to go in 2010."

I didn't vote one way or the other, but like you said I'd go too. I'll judge it when I have experienced it, though like any new venue (and perhaps more than some) it will have challenges.

"it was not a clearly or scientifically constructed poll; just some person asking an innocent question."

Clearly, but some will take it more seriously than others. It has no nuance, as the answers sought are black and white. I doubt there is anything innocent at this point regarding this subject. No doubt I'll be cast in the pile of BCC supporters by some, but I'll just grin at that one.

You know, the funny thing is, there is not a darned thing stopping anyone from creating their own convention, for profit too. But if anyone does, please, oh please, don't pick the Host, as that has been done to death with perhaps two cons still being put on there anyway.

It means no to me and the three dealers who are among my closest friends. All three who have tables at Historicon this year and past eight years.

Fox enjoy 2010-2011 but I can play games here with my club and not spend the small fortune you will in Baltimore.

Okay, final tally of the little unscientific meaningless survey is Go to Baltimore- 42
Don't go to Baltimore- 63
Neutral, Uncertain, Unclear-4
It was breaking just like the final commentators said about 40/60

I was looking back at the Historicon poll from last year: TMP link

The votes where 22 for BCC and 33 for the Host: The same 40/60 ratio.

Of course there where 54 for "some other location" and 26 for "no preference".

jdpintex,

Actually, I am more interested in your comment that you have made reservations for 2010. Might you enlighten us with:

a. Which hotel and where,

b. Cost (sales tax, parking if you have it),

c. And whether this is an Historicon rate?

I also vote no, but if your answers are good I'll make reservations and give the BCC a fair shot.

Thanks, Bill Gray
ageofeagles.com

My intent was do you want the con to move to Baltimore even if you are going like I am. I voted No. I guess I would rather have a con in Baltimore (like Timonium) than no con.
Because I feel that we were not given much choice in the matter. We were informed. We debated, bitched and moaned, but not much choice. Some higher ups made the ultimate decision with some very good reasons and intentions. So you could vote against the move and still go. I wasn't making this a case of principle. Whoever did is fine with me, if they don't show up, fine with me. To me this wasn't a fight the membership could win, this time around. I would imagine if enought people don't like it, the BOD elections votes over the next couple of years will tell. Those of us who do not like such moves thrust upon us should entrench themselves on the BOD as a bloc. Ironically my first HMGS related con was Origins 82 in Baltimore and many of you were there. So yeah, I'll give it a shot and report back.

Oh, one more thing. No matter how you feel. Since the economy is rotten, no more big Chevys, we can't drill our own oil, and the bad guys are getting their nukes and missles to put them on, and they probably have GPS, enjoy the summer, enjoy this Historicon, the 25th, enjoy Fall-In in Gettysburg for its location swan song and enjoy your family and friends. Life is short. Eat dessert first!

No

Then don't eat dessert first. Sheesh.

Nay,
I am pretty sure lodging in Baltimore is going to be expensive (far moreson than Lancaster). This will mean less money to buy figs and other stuff. My prediction: The vendors won't do as well, fewer people will go, and consequently the Con and hobby will suffer.
Yes the Host is a dump, but that is why we can afford to go there. It is in a nice enough location with things for spouses and children to do (as in Baltimore I might add).
At least Baltimore is only a tiny bit farther for me to travel.

Well that is the logic behind it here and that is to spread the wealth around. If they kept it at the Host wargamers would have more money of their budgeted amount to spend on purchases in the dealer area. By moving it to BCC the gamers will be spreading that money around to the hotels and for parking and for food. This is all part of the economic stimulus that the government would like us to do. So the BOD was just trying to do their part in helping the governmet out. Fine Americans they are.