"Hanoverian SYW standard bearers" Topic

just wondering if some of the German speakers out there, and any language speakers for that matter know if Hanoverian standard bearers of the WAS and SYW were officers or NCOs..and on a second the actual composition of a military band of the time..

The painting of the 1735 Bemerode review (which used to be on public display in Germany's Army Museum in Rastatt, but has now been reappropriated by the House of Hanover…) shows infantry and cavalry standard-bearers wearing the officers' yellow shoulder sash. They would appear to be ensigns after the British fashion then, not senior NCOs as in most German-speaking armies of the time.

The accompanying text however specifies that on parade, two "Gefreiten-Corporals" were to stand behind the two ensigns, holding the ensigns' spontoons – which would imply that when not on parade, the colours would be carried by those NCOs while the ensigns functionend as junior officers.

Military bands of the period were not standardised in any way (nor are they today really). In the Hanoverian army, four "hautbois" (the collective for any woodwinds) were carried on the establishment. Any additional musicians would be paid for out of the colonel's pocket. Thus in the above painting, von Wendt's dragoons are shown riding past led by 8 mounted musicians, one of them playing a bassoon, plus a kettledrummer.

Loking forward to the figures!

ah Musketier, I knew you would have something for me..actually I found a Stern card with an NCO carrying the colours and a flat on the Zinnfigurirne site which was an officer..but I think I will go with the corporals..got the woodwinds under control..so it is essetially a set of various instrumentalists and let the punters choose..have to have a serpent player!

Your Eminence is most welcome!

If you or the sculptor need additional information based on the two Niemeyer/Ortenburg books (Bemerode 1735 and Seven Years War), feel free to e-mail me.

As raised in the parallel thread, I trust the figures will be compatible with Mindens rather than, say, Front Rank?

thanks again Musketir..I have the Niemeyer SYW , bought at geat cost but well worth it ..…though not Bemerode..well thats the plan though it will be something to see how it all turns out..have you seen Eureka's Saxon Kettledrummer?. a very nice miniature..If we do as good as that sort of thing I will be pleased

Indeed I have seen samples of the latest Eureka crop, and look forward to full units! Even there you have some scale creep between foot and horse however, so as long as your Hanoverians follow the the current, "anatomical" aproach everything should be fine. Now for the reprint of "His Britannic Majesty's…", and we're off!

some scale creep..surely you jest..actually the new fifers are tall fellows indeed, however they have been recruited into my Imagi-nations Crusader /Front rank forces and look quite ok of in the rear ranks..

and the Kettle Drummer is magic..

Re scale creep – No criticism was intended: it's just one of these things that happen as a sculptor improves and adds ever more detail. The Eureka figures are superb, and the kettledrummer is the best of the best!

Does His Eminence have piccies of said kettledrummer?

Hey Musketier:
Can you email me info ref those Hannovarians books?
info@outlandgames.net

Dear Outlander and anybody else who's interested:
The main source for the Hanoverian Army of the SYW is
Joachim Niemeyer/Georg Ortenburg: The Hanoverian Army during the Seven Years War – "Gmundener Prachtwerk". Copenhagen (Bent Carlsens Forlag APS) 1977
- the book is now OOP, but comes up in sales occasionally.
Fortunately, its illustrations can be seen at
link
- Unfortunately the regimental colours, which are only in black and white in the book, are not on this site.
If anybody has questions on the text about certain details (such as the later numbering…) or specific units, start a thread here!

The other title I was referring to is by Joachim Niemeyer alone: Die Revue bei Bemerode 1735. Beckum (Bernh. Vogel) 1985. This book is a commentary and partial reproduction of an official painting of this grand review of the Hanoverian army. It is still available, i.a. from Berliner Zinnfiguren:
link

Later representations of Hanoverian uniforms include several plates by Richard Knötel (around 1900) as well as the Sturm cigarette cards (1932), both of which are reproduced on the "Grosser Generalstab" site:
link

Musketier – thanks for posting those links!

Cheers,
Paul.