"10mm AWI" Topic

I have been working on my AWI Old Glory 10mm English army off and on for the last month or two and they are almost done. I have been very happy with the end result. The 30 man regiments look great in column and the long red line looks impressive. The line figures are good, the grenadiers so-so, artillery and crew good but the light infantry are excellent. They came in seven different poses. And all of the light infantry poses are very good. The light infantry will be my bragging units. So again I am very happy with my Old Glorys.

While I am bragging, here are some photos of Old Glory 10mm English AWI (90-95% done):

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Light infantry still on paint tabs
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Having said all that, I am going to build my 10mm American army using Pendrakens. Although I will probably use Old Glory American artillery and American Cavalry (plus some Pendraken F&I Indians). I am also going to supplement the Old Glory English troops with Pendraken Hessians/Brunswickers, English dragoons, and Pendraken F&I plus Old Glory Indians . So my AWI troops will be a mix of Old Glory and Pendrakens.

At the same time, neither Pendraken or Old Glory have dismounted dragoons, Tories or AWI specific French. So what other manufacturers are out there with good quality 10mm dismounted dragoons, Tories or AWI French which will fit in reasonably well with Pendraken/Old Glory?

Who else manufactures 10mm AWI other than Pendraken or Old Glory? Are they compatible with Pendraken/Old Glory AWI armies?

As 10mm espcially OG are quite cheap and skirmishing Dragoons quite rare why not convert--behead a load of light Draggons and lights and glue the heads on???

or is that mad??

As 10mm espcially OG are quite cheap and skirmishing Dragoons quite rare why not convert--behead a load of light Draggons and lights and glue the heads on???

or is that mad??

My first reaction…stark raving lunacy…off with his head…

My second thought…maybe…. Although I don't have experience with chopping off heads and re-attaching them. Perhaps a last ditch option.

BTW, Pendrakens are basically the same price as Old Glory if you are buying with dollars and ordering direct from England.

GFI/Minifigs does (ex-Old Dominion range)

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Tom Dye
GFI

Thanks Tom, I wasn't aware of those. Does anyone have photos of the GFI/Minifigs AWI line? Are they reasonably compatible in size with Pendraken/Old Glory?

I did a quick comparison photo and it can be seen here:

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Ours is the one next to the penny. Ours are individual figures. Click on the picture to enlarge it.

Hope this helps a bit.

Best
Tom Dye
GFI

All the 10mm AmRev that we use are the individual castings by GFI. They are very easy to place on the particular bases that we are using with the 1:10 scale "Fire and Discipline: The Americas".

Thanks Tom, it looks like Minifigs are slightly shorter which may just be due to the large Old Glory bases. Definitely compatible figures.

Pendraken's French are on the workbench at the moment, and should be released sometime this summer.
As for dismounted dragoons, the part of the 16th that served on foot will be done, but aren't started yet.

If you are going for head swaps, hat swaps might be easier as its fiddly work to attach heads to 10mm figures. Take the figure in question and use nail scissors to chop off his hat a bit above the bottom of the hat, then gently file off the rest of the hat. The figure donating a hat; do the same, but make the cut below the bottom of the hat and file away the part of the face that is left attached. You should now have a flat headed figure and a flat bottomed hat with two surfaces that will stick nicely. It does mean that the donating figure is ruined, but trying to preserve both is very difficult at this scale.

Thanks Clibinarium. I can wait for the French and dismounted dragoons as it will take a month or two to build up my Americans, Germans and indians.

What about Tories? Did they wear a basic English uniform but with green coats till they converted to red coats? Are people using Brit or American figures as the basic figure for painting green coat Tories? Or is the Tory uniform distinct enough to justify a separate unique miniature? I need to find a portrait of a green coated Tory.

I tend to support the data that indicates that several Tory units wore uncocked (sloggy) hats. In the South many of these were white but black was used in the North and the South.

Some support the always cocked hats.

Special Tory units like Butler's Rangers and the Queen's Rangers wore special hats. Some transfers like the Hessians in South Carolina wore their original regimetnals.

I tend to support the data that indicates that several Tory units wore uncocked (sloggy) hats. In the South many of these were white but black was used in the North and the South.

Some support the always cocked hats.

A green coated regiment with white hats would be interesting.

So were coats, leggings, small clothes of tory units all of British style and origin?

Some transfers like the Hessians in South Carolina wore their original regimetnals.

Are you saying hessians were used to fill out Tory regiments in South Carolina?

Coming soon to my Photobucket gallery painted examples of Pendraken's AWI Artillery and Mounted Dragoons.

Just got to finish another Regiment before I do them.

All the best

Andy Mac

No Jagger after Charleston was captured, the British needed more mounted troops to patrol the region. One group of infantry composed Cpt Stackhof mounteed unit. (spelling is off as I am not at my home computer). These Hessians were given promotions and/or bonuses to transfer to the Provential forces (Loyalist/Tory). Eventually they may have wore red but for the first patrols, they still wore their german regimentals.
In regards to the white uncocked white and green coats. Possible as a smattering among Loyalist militia. it was also worn with frontier dress. But more common among regular Loyalist formations was red coats and white hats for the 1980-81 campaign years.

Thanks Rudy.

This site has many portraits of American, Tory, English and French AWI regiments.

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I really don't see much difference, if any, in the design of uniforms between English, American or Tories line companies. Uniform design appears basically the same for line companies. I am not so sure about accoutrements but the real difference appears to be color. I suspect you could use American or English line infantry miniatures to represent either side with simple variations in uniform colors.

Lots of different coat, small clothes and breeches colors amonst the Americans. Apparently the Americans even had significant variation in small cloths and breeches within the same companies and regiments. And it also seems the Brits could have significant differences in appearance between winter and summer small cloths and breeches. Looks like a person could let loose with some creativity in painting Americans especially but English to a certain extent as well.

I think either American or Brit line miniatures would be fine for Tory line companies. I would probably go Brit miniatures for any light or grenadier companies. Although I am not sure if Tory regiments had grenadier companies. Either dark green or red are good colors for Tories. Green was most common in the early war time period.

Also here is a fun site with lots of stock photos of revolutionary re-enactors taken by J.T. Lewis. He has one photo of a unit in buff coats and round red hats. I have no idea who they are suppose to be. I can only guess Canadian militia. It looks like something they might wear.

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I reckon you can use Brits for the majority of Tory regiments, since the Tories wanted to appear "more British than the British themselves", so you could put them in 1768 warrant like dress in the early years, or the cut coat and round hat style of the later years. Some loyalist units are hard to tell apart form the British after they move to red coats from green.

those guys on that site in the buff and the red berets; my guess is they are slightly later than the revolution, they look like British infantry in waistcoats and fatigue hats from the war of 1812? If not I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has any theories.

Red Berets with buff overalls and red facings. I have never seen that style as a whole formation. Berets were common in the South among frontier groups especially those of irish and Scot linage.

A agree that a unit like that may be a little later and maybe Canadian. Maybe a local militia company. Just a guess.