"1809 Black Brunswickers." Topic

Anyone know of any good resources online or books on the campaigns of 1809 – particularly those of the Austrians and Brunswickers in Saxony which culminated in the Duke of Brunswick heading for the coast and British ships with his force? Always had a soft spot for the Duke and his black horde!

Hard to find anything in English. The Osprey on them covers it a little. Gills "With Eagles to Glory" has a little bit about it, not alot though.

I have a General De Brigade scenario booklet that has the battle when the Brunswickers took on the Westphalians.

From memory the force was a little bigger than later appeared in the Peninsula.

Here is a good German site
braunschweiger-feldkorps.de

hope that helps a little

cheers

Jason

Not to hijeck, but what figures would you use?

KAM

For 1809 they need to be wearing the Kollet style long coat. Not sure what you would use. My Brunswick are 1815 and I have used the gorgeous Perry miniatures for them.

cheers

Jason

There's about 9 pages in the Osprey Men-at-Arms "Brunswick Troops 1809-15. It was published 1985 so whether or not the information therein has stood the test of further research, I couldn't say.

Regarding figures, the very first metal wargames figures I bought were the Minifigs 20mm Brunswickers and they were in the 1809 uniforms – the long coat which seems to be called a Polrock by some people and a Litewka b others. Whatever you call it, a good looking uniform. I've still got those little figures.

Doug

For 1809 they need to be wearing the Kollet style long coat.

Looks like I need to add another name to the list of what those attractive coats were called .

Doug

Col.

Thanks for the great German site. The maps will come in handy for our northern German campaigns.

Cheers,
Robert
18thcenturysojourn.blogspot.com

Willier made a couple figures, one in the Litewka, the other for 1815, back in the '70's and '80's. A single pose only for each. They are probably still available through Tradition of Scandinavia.

GdeP

GFI/Minifigs does them in 15mm, in the long coats:

15015258 Advancing
15015259 March Attack
15015260 Standing Firing

Packs contain two command sets.

www,minifigs.com

Tom Dye
GFI

Minifigs UK do 'em in 25mm. The only drawback being that while they do standard bearers (No standards carried until 1815!) they do not do drummers in the 1809 uniform. However, they offer March Attack, High Port, and Firing Positions. They also do 'em in 15mm in the same poses, but I don't know what figures are in the command pack (8 figures). The 25mm are listed as Brunswick Infantry, in 15mm as Brunnswick Infantry (Long Coat).

Thanks guys. I have the Osprey which is what wetted my appetite to start with. Seems an interesting campaign and easily transposable to the table top. Forces limited to a corps or less. Westphalians, Saxons, Dutch, Austrians, Brunswickers and even a rogue Prussian Hussar regiment that went rampaging through Westphalia without orders or permission! There should be enough colour and variety there to satisfy most people.
As for figures I was going to cheat and use the Perry 1815 figures as I like them, I can use them for 1815 scenarios and most people won't know the difference! :-)
Jason is Gill's book worth getting for the info or is it the same as the Osprey has?

Essex also do it 1809 Brunswick in 15mm

The Gill book is brilliant. Has loads of info on all the German states that fought for Napoleon in 1809. Highly reccommended for any napoleonic buff. Only a little on the Brunswickers but loads on the Westphalians. If you only want the Brunswickers its maybe a little expensive but for an overview of the 1809 campaign and the role of the German states its a beauty!
As for the perry minis, go for it. To be honest the lieb battalion unform is very close tho the Brunsick-oels of the peninsular and I use my Lieb Battalion as the Brunswick-Oels in 7th Division in the peninsula. Others will disagree but in my group we dont quibble, if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it probably is a duck!

Lieb(e) = love, darling

Leib = body (life)

Leibgarde = Lifeguard, lit. bodyguard

A Liebgard would be a unit that guards the officers R&R facilities :-)))

Ulenspiegel

A Liebgard would be a unit that guards the officers R&R facilities :-)))

That would be a popular posting no doubt! :-)

The Minifigs arrived today and they are really quite good.

Thanks All!

KAM

Do the MiniFigs artillery crew come in the long coat for 1809?

Hi Darryl,

I haven't got them in front of me to check but I am pretty sure that both the foot and horse artillery from Minifigs are in short coats.

Thanks, SJ!

If you are leading Brunswickers you should look as good

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I lead them at Waterloo in Albuquerque last year and looked good doing it.

I do like the bowling shirt, would be perfect for a Brunswick game. I can forego the hat. :)

Those looks good…!

Amicalement
Armand