| raducci | 12 Sep 2008 4:46 a.m. PST |
Does anyone know if FJs horse carried a standard at Culloden and if so what it loked like?
Ditto Charlie's Life Guard.
ThanX |
| raducci | 14 Sep 2008 4:10 a.m. PST |
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| Camcleod | 14 Sep 2008 8:00 a.m. PST |
I assume Fitzjames Horse would have had their standard at Culloden.
If so it would be yellow with a sun device on one side and an unknown device (probably the arms of Fitzjames ??) on the other. See the Mouilliard plate – third down:
picture |
| archstanton73 | 14 Sep 2008 1:52 p.m. PST |
Raducci-Fitzjames horse were split with about 1/3rd of their number fighting on foot with the Irish piquets--So their Standard may have been with the foot… |
| raducci | 14 Sep 2008 3:40 p.m. PST |
ThanX gentlemen.
Do you have any opinions on whether FJ Horse fought at Culloden in cuirasses? |
| seneffe | 14 Sep 2008 4:29 p.m. PST |
The FitzJames brought their half cuirasses (plastrons in contemporary French terminolgy) to Scotland, and earlier in the campaign had been excused patrol duty on account of the weight of their equipment- so I would guess they did wear them at Culloden- for all the good it did them. Re the Lifeguards- I've never seen anything one way or the other about a standard. But if they had one- my guess is that it would bear the British Royal Arms complete with lion, unicorn and all the trimmings on blue or crimson field- a bit like the standard of the Blues. The Jacobites were understandably keen to emphasise their claim to the British throne. The Lifeguards, as personal escort to Charles, the heir to that throne, might be expected to exemplify that by displaying royal emblems. All that said, they did wear tartan shoulder belts… |
| raducci | 15 Sep 2008 4:18 a.m. PST |
@ seneffe
Civil Wars do get complicated. I belief the Jacobite Manchester regiment carried a St George's cross flag.
Redcoats on both sides. Scottish on both sides.
You'd have to check out the other fellows field sign to be sure before you whacked him. |
| abdul666lw | 15 Sep 2008 6:33 a.m. PST |
Charles' Lifeguards did wear tartan shoulder belts
Intringuing -and worth of an Imagi-Nation!
Any good picture (or photo of minis) of them on the web? |
| archstanton73 | 15 Sep 2008 8:47 a.m. PST |
Abdul--unfortunately in 1746 cameras hadn't been invented so no original photos are available!!! ;) The whole Jacobite army did try to wear some Highland dress so as to stop the actual highlanders shooting them on sight!!!
There have been various threads about the Scots Piquets and whether they had the blue bonnet or not!! |
| seneffe | 15 Sep 2008 2:52 p.m. PST |
There is a very nice reconstruction of the Lifeguards in their tartan belts in Stuart Reid's 'Like Angry Wolves'- one of the very best accounts of Culloden, and beautifully illustrated. It also contains an eyewitness note of the unit wearing these items. |
| seneffe | 15 Sep 2008 2:55 p.m. PST |
'Like HUNGRY Wolves' it should be- I have the blasted book in front of me!!! |
paints brigs for the British fleet.
