"Are there rules for 1:10 figure:man ratios?" Topic

For napoleonic rules, I am used to two styles of figure ratios:

a 1:90 scale (ex. Age of Eagles), where the manuevre unit is the brigade and it consists of approximately 8 stands of 4 figures.. and

a battalion based scale (1:40 scale (ex. Le Feu Sacre), Shako 1:100, Column-Line&Square 1:20?), where there are about 12-24 stands per battalion.

I've recently looked at paintings of actual Napoleonic battles and the mass amounts of troops does not look like my minatures when I put them on the table. The feel of the period seems to be distorted.

Just out of curiosity, has anybody run rules or games with pictures using a very low ratio scheme for formed units? What are the ground scales, battle sizes and problems that arise? What is the practical smallest element that can do unique actions? Does anyone have pictures of a battalion, regiment or division at 1:1, 1:5 or 1:10 ratios?

Hi

I LOVE painting. But I gotta admit, that with the famous nappy battles being 100,000 on the side, painting up 10,000 figs for a game is beyond even me. I would guess this works with "bristle block" figs, like 3mm.

Rocky

Yes, the 'Fire and Discipline:The Americas' was set at a 1:10 or 1:15 scale with army lists included for the American War of 1812 and the Latin American Wars of Independence.

Check Mark's Scale Creep free rules section. I think that they are still listed on it.

We worked on Army lists for napoleonic era India but not on lists for Europe.

I think you can adopt general de brigade to 1:10 it's realy 1:20,

but all you have to do is to double the amount of figs and the damige on all types of weapons. cannon, musket, and bayonet.

the only problem is that you'r going to need alot of figs.

even with 1:20 scale you get like 350-400 figs pr. divion you make.

so if you double it you'll get 1600 figs for a divion vs divion game

I remember a certain Mr Matt Pavone having pictures of his 72 figure battalions in action-a 1:10 unit I believe.
Can anyone locate these?

Der Alte Fritz has several entries on his blog about his 1:10 Napoleonic forces. altefritz.blogspot.com

He is also working (maybe with Bill Protz) to come up with a set of 1:10 "big battalion" rules similar to Bill's "Batailles de l'Ancien Regime" SYW rules. oldregimerules.com

Jim
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I've been working on a set to coincide with my little 1:200, 1:300, and 1:500 figures project that is based at 1:10, 1:5, 1:2, or 1:1. Feel free to send me an email to Inkbiz@aol.com and I'll be happy to forward you the working version. :)

There are 1:10 rules but out of print for many many years. They are called Frappe. These were the first set of rules I gamed with so I have fond memories of these even if I spent a lot of hours on a concrete basement floor. 72 figure French Battalions -- those were big.

I think Column Line and Square might be 1:10 also but I don't remember.

mjc

If memory serves…. Pickle Enterprises put out a set of Nappy rules named "Covered in Glory" that were 1:5 ratio.

As I recall it tooki three or four turns to change formation due to all the detail.

Ack! … "tooki" = took

My rules are 1:1 There are some pictures of small skirmishes on my gallery page and the units you will see of 8 bases are a company.

angelbarracks.co.uk

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War Eagle is for Napoleonics and at a 1:35 scale with three movement stands per battalion.

Our skirmish rules are called Glory and was first released in 1984. A 1:1 system covering 1750-1899. It has been used for many eras including VSF.

They are on several FREE rules sites.

Jacko,

I have some photos at home (deployed at the moment)of Matt P's set-up.

Really brilliant, he was actually using 1/6.666 as he could take three like battalions of 1/20 and combine them into one larger battalion.

ie for 1/20 he would have 36 figs for a French line Batt. Combine 3 of those gives you a 1/6.666 batt. of 108 figures. Could also be used to represent a 3 batt. brigade.

Seems to be the most flexable way to go for a budding megalomaniac ;)

Chef de Batallion is 1:5 I believe…

Go for General de Brigade. You'll find players!

EC is right . Being able to find other players is a primary concern when adopting any set of rules. Especially in rarly player troop ratios.

Hi!
Take a look at this french site. This guy has painted up a voltigeur garde batallion 1:1 in 15mm

voltigeurs.populus.ch

Has some nice pictures of the actual formations down to the last man

regards
Thomas