"1813 austrian landwehr" Topic

anyone estimate the size of these 4th battalions to the line regiments and are you painting the tunic an iron grey or what? pants/trousers in white or the grey? I think these guys look sharp and better in appearance than other landwehr.

I don't know the size of the 4th battalions but I am sure someone here will know.

As for painting Austrian Landwehr, I like my armies to have a lot of color. In fact, the more color the better. Nothing like a large number of color figures on a table! My Austrian army already has lots of whites, greys, browns and blue pants so I am going with green coats with white, yellow or red facings with grey, white and blue pants for my Austrian landwehr. I know my color of pants choices may not be historical, but other Austrian units wore these colors and hey, they are landwehr, they wore what's available!

I saw somewhere (sorry, cannot remember where) some Austrian landwehr had green coats with white or yellow facing. I am adding the red because, well, I like it and other landwehr had it as a facing color so why not these?

Wiessenwolff

The 4th battalions were very large, over a 1000 in the battalions present at Leipzig.

The uniform seemed to consist of the Grey tunic, but lighter than most artists have shown, and not the deep iron grey that was 'in vogue' for landwehr some years ago. I suspect, though, given shortages of all manner of things the longer grey oberrock may have been worn by all except the staff company.

Facing colours were, of course, as per parent regiment.

K

Yes, they do look sharp, don't they?

It's unfortunate my units are made of regiments and not battalions, the only way for me to use these would be to include a few figures in my Line Regiments, and I'm not sure I would like the result.

Iannick I hought about that too. i would make a separate stand of ten and add on for 1813 and many times they were doing service away from the regiment anyway as in blockades and special services. what do you think about forming some type of austrian study group mein herr? we are a small but moderate anount of austrophiles and could only help. think about it. Les

Wiessenwolff

Well, from just the Leipzig orbat most of the Landwehr battalions were not serving with their parent unit.

4/IR7 is in Wieland's Brigade serving with 3/IR11.

4/IR1, 4/IR8, 4/IR20 and 4/IR36 were out on their own under von Seethal blockading Sonnenstein.

4/IR11 was with IRs 24 and 44 in Longueville's Brigade (some sources put it with Mecsery)

4/IR42 is with Herzogenberg's Mobile Column

The only regiments whose landwehr battalions seem to have served with them in the battle are IR's 35 and 47.

But if you guys are playing with brigades rather than battalions as your tactical unit I appreciate your difficulty.

K

yeah Khev it would seem so i think the other austrian armies landwehr were a bit more involved. 1814 a large presence in the italian hungarian front with some insurrection even. have you painted or seen fielded the austro- german legion or the italian light battalions? i never have. les

Les

Nope. My 1813 force is a saxony-focussed one and it has been gathering dust for a long time. Currently on the 1809 track in 25mm as we are refighting aspern-Essling, Wagram and possibly Sacile next year at 1:50. So I am painting 25mm Austrians from 1809, rather than 1813. 'Funnies' include 2er Mahr Freiwillige, Carneville Freicorps and Watrich Jager, and it will be 4 landwehr battalions (2 lower Austrian, 2 Moravian). I am really thinking of going backwards, not forwards, as I am looking at the 1799 campaign.

K

khev, i do get that inclination for the earlier periods as well. uniforms handsome especially prussian and lots of bicornes. have never seen that little know war which did not involve much but numbers between prussia and austria…potato war or something regarding bavaria. did you paint the carneville freikorps which reappears again in 1809 or someone else had them? not even a squadron of hussars i think. in the earlier wars you do get some unusual freikorps and the french emigres. you do have a point about earlier, mixes my love of napoleonic and 7 years war sartorially. have fought aspern essling and using empire rules groan. the french got congested and empire being empire it was difficult. what rules aer you using presently? Les

Wiessenwolff

The Carnevilles are yet to be done; 3 companies and two squadrons. Not got round to painting them yet as they are in V Kolonne, currently I am finishing IV.

My 1790's Austrians have seen more action (again 15mm) as I have a Revolutionary French force as well. I have run two 1792 Belgian campaigns with interesting results. For tat force I have Degelmann's Uhlans, Le Loup, O'Donel and Grun-Loudon freicorps. All good fun…

In terms of rules I used some Australian computer moderated rules for the campaign battles as they were small, but have since written my own paper rules (which still need work). For the larger Napoleonic Games I am using the 200-ers Art of Command rules which we use for our large refights.

My 1790's Austrians are, of course, useful for Potato War and Balkan war stuff too, indeed I have had one game against the Turks which was very odd.

K

Oh, would be happy to help form some type of study group, btw.

K

great khev lets talk with Iannick and whomever else we can think of and come up with a format. Les

Khev, how do i get in touch with you email wise and I tried Iannicks but it got returned. I think this has great potential in combining knowledge, researching, and providing such to others. also a balance needed for the austrians when getting relegated terribly just to give the opponents someone to knock about. as many times seen in rulesets. individually it is an opinion but in a group lends substance with the historical backup. I forsee a wide range of possibilities, resourcefulness, and just plain fum for us as well. good way for the austrophiles to cone together. thanks, Les

excuse my typing in the early morning alas.

The study group is a great idea, count me in. I could lend a page on my website if we go the forum route, it could be easily done.

I don't understand why my email did not work Weis, maybe try again?

Otherwise, give me yours and I'll contact you through my home email; you can always leave a comment or your adress on my website's blog if you're having trouble contacting me.

Guys

You can get me on melgum30@yahoo.co.uk

And my blog at kannonkreuz.blogspot.com

As for opponents, well, preconcieved ideas are the hardest kind to shake. But just a look at the 1799 campaigns in Italy and Germany illustrate that even in the earlier period this is not a force that is just a collection of straw men. I guess it depends whether you believe in grown up research or just rehashing francophile sources…

K

Iannick and khevenhuller..for some strange reason I cannot reach either of you and the email is returned. I have opened this to make it easy to remember and tongue in cheek. Please write me at Leshapsburg@hotmail.com thanks weissenwolf

Hi Weissenwolf. I really should talk with you

I used these plates as a guide whan I painted my Landwher. I found that a lot of the OG LW figures were based on these plates as well.

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