"Kings or Regimental Colours?" Topic

Hi,

When people just use one flag in a British peninsular regiment, do they use the Kings Colours or the Regimental Colours.

Thanks,

John

Kings Colours

Regimental for more variety.

A mix with an edge towards the regimental for the the reason cited above.

Michael

Personally I think you could do both. It would make a very nice command stand.

You should not really have one without the other. Jam 'em in on that base I say!

Regimental also the colors are a nice way to easily see the different regiments.

I do both

I do regimental.

I suppose if you want to have a unified look it would also look neat to do King's colours.

With 2 colours / unit, your regiments may look like 'Colour parties' unless you field *large* (50-60 minis) ones.
My suggestion (OK, for the Lace Wars, and -worse?- in the context of Good Old School Imagi-Nations) is to combine 1 "King's" with 1 "Regimental" side on the same flag.
Then, what side on the obverse / reverse? For the infantry, the "King's" / "Leib" took the right, while, being large and heavy (4 square meters of brocade) the flags were often carried slightly resting on the shoulder, thus hanging backwards (the 'insert the pole in your navel' stance came later). For the moving cavalry, the flag is better depicted flying backward. Thus the "King's Colour" would appear on the side of the flag with the pole *to the right* (the 'obverse' of the flag?) of the banner, the "Regimental Colour" then on the 'obverse' (pole to the left). Of course, would be inverted for the Britannian Guards!

Historically, during the 18th C. Cavalry / Dragoons standards / guidons had such 'heterogenous' appeareance in several countries.

Note: one of you veteran 'Napoleonics' discovered the traditional peculiarities of 18th C. wargaming in a thread on this very board. He became so enthusiastic over the 'field of free creativity' offered by the Lace Wars Imagi-Nations that he launched 3 different blogs:
obernordwestfalen.blogspot.com
schloss-neuhaus.blogspot.com !!
hannunter.blogspot.com

Jean-Louis
aka Louys de Monte-Cristo
link

When I used 20 figure British units, I still put both flags on the command stand. It just looks better, and with GMB's spectacular flags, there is no excuse not to use them. Your army will look better and the little lead men will thank you for it and reward you with excellent performance on the table top. (I think)

I agree with the above ( I have 24 figure battalions), it's just no cricket unless you have both.

Pete

You could put one on one side and one on the other…

NSN

Concur with Fritz above. I have a large Peninsula army, and all my British units sport Kings and Regimental flags. 20 figs at 30/1 ratio. Couldn't imagine it any other way.
Doesn't look right with one flag.

I am building 15mm Old Glory 7YW Prussian, Austrian and French armies. For the Prussians, using 48 figures, and both flags. The unit could be split into 2 of 24 figures, each with one color. The white for first battalion, the colored for the second battalion.

I frankly don't know what the Austrians did, but have two color bearers in each of 4 current battalions of 48 – but no colors yet! Can anyone answer this question?

For the French, I will do both colors.

By the way, what flags go best for Old Glory 15's? Are GMB's done to match these larger than 15mm figures? Or are they better for the Minifig units? What scale are the Canadian Vaubanner (spelling?) colors?

GdeP

Hi,

Thanks for your replies. My units are 12-16 figures on a 1:50 figure ratio, so it is really hard to put 2 flags on the command stand. I am building both sides at the Battle of Fuentes d'Orono, 1811. The bat..s vary as I build to their their fielded manpower that battle. The thought of doing it at a 1:25 ratio is a bit daunting. I think for now I will use the regimental colors.

Again many thanks,

John

I can't see a Bn looking 'right' for 2 colours with anything less than 100plus figures per battalion. Anything less, with 2 colours, seems like a large colour party rather than a battalion.

I agree with hos459; 2 colours among 24-30 figures looks a bit top heavy.

With my 6mm battalions, I've tended to use regimental colours for variety, but if there were two battalions in a brigade with the same facing colour, then one got the King's colour. My guards battalion at 50 figures got both.

(Having said that, I've just finished my first ACW Perry US battalion and used both flags – because they were there.)

I frankly don't know what the [SYW] Austrians did, but have two color bearers in each of 4 current battalions of 48 – but no colors yet! Can anyone answer this question?

They had one white leibfahne with the Imperial eagle on one side and the Virgin Mary on the other; and for the German and Walloon regiments yellow regimentsfahne that had the Imperial eagle on both sides. The Hungarian regiments had the same leibfahne and green regimentsfahne with a crowned coat-of-arms (Hungary's I assume) on both sides. So putting the one white leibfahne and one coloured regimentsfahne in the first battalion and two coloured regimentsfahne in the second (or more) battalions is appropriate.

I can't answer your flag-figure scale question.